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Investment? £15m nominal value (1 Viewer)

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JimmyHillsbeard

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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I’m not sure it’s necessarily the owner but …


 

pusbccfc

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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Sky Blue Wozza

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  • Jun 4, 2025
  • #3
He’s taken out 3 season tickets in the Mahou Lounge
 
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Winny the Bish

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  • Jun 4, 2025
  • #4
So nice to have an owner putting in money that isn’t a loan with interest.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Jun 4, 2025
  • #5
Wonder if it might be adding some funds so we can press go on some transfers before we lose out.

More likely wishful thinking, but I can hope.
 

speedie87

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  • Jun 4, 2025
  • #6
Prob just covering losses for last season
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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speedie87 said:
Prob just covering losses for last season
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The club has already got a revolving credit facility so I'd be surprised
 
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SHUNT31

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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fernandopartridge said:
The club has already got a revolving credit facility so I'd be surprised
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That credit facility is just between CCFC and CovCityCo (Parent). The new shares have been issued to CovCityCo so at the moment are completely separate from the credit facility you mention.

That being said, I do think it’s unlikely a sole shareholder would issue new shares to inject capital, particularly when we are not close to breaching PSR.

This could be external investment. I am sure some ITK’s claimed that DK was looking for external investors this time last year, but could be wrong.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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Perhaps its related to whatever stadium agreement is in the pipeline?
 
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shepardo01

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  • Jun 4, 2025
  • #10
Cash back from his Monzo account!?
 
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stay_up_skyblues

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  • Jun 4, 2025
  • #11
It’s probably just to cover the gas and electric for the last quarter. Not far off my most recent bill tbf.
 
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Danceswithhorses

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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It's at times like this, that i miss OSB58
 
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Andy123456

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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Haha and yet they'll still be so called fans saying he's broke, like they are his bank managers
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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Danceswithhorses said:
It's times like this, that i miss OSB58
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He was a proper Gent on here

Aside from his financial knowledge, never seen him use any bad language or resort to childish name calling like most of us on here have done at some point
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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This is the way to inject into a club. Not Blues' mad 12% interest loans.
 
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blunted

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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As someone said already we need OSB.
Can anyone explain what this actually means?
 

Winny the Bish

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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blunted said:
As someone said already we need OSB.
Can anyone explain what this actually means?
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£15m has been injected into the club that doesn’t have to be repaid.

Could be King wiping out some debts, providing cash for transfers, paying player and staff wages over the non-football months, or the less likely option of an investor purchasing 10% of the club.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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blunted said:
As someone said already we need OSB.
Can anyone explain what this actually means?
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It just means that the £15m isn't repayable to owners. It will appear as an injection of liquid cash into the club and it's very good for our PSR submission as it is essentially calculated as free money so can offset any losses.

The other method of injecting money that most owners, including Blues', do is to loan the club the money. This is better for the owner as it is obviously repayable but also leverages control over the organisation. For the club it is worse as it accrues interest and puts them at PSR risk. This is the route that Derby and Reading went down.

It either means Doug is putting more of his own cash in or he has moved a % of the club on to an external investor. Either way it's great for us.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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Liquid Gold said:
This is the way to inject into a club. Not Blues' mad 12% interest loans.
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I do wonder how many Championship clubs are owned by a local businessman these days? Especially one that has so far made almost all the right decisions? Most are owned by faceless wonders

Our ownership model feels almost too good at times, just because the cynic in me expects him to try and rip off the club!
 
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baldy

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  • Jun 4, 2025
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bigfatronssba said:
He was a proper Gent on here

Aside from his financial knowledge, never seen him use any bad language or resort to childish name calling like most of us on here have done at some point
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Oh stop being a stupid smelly poo poo head
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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baldy said:
Oh stop being a stupid smelly poo poo head
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Flip off Kojak
 
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PUSB-We_are_going_up

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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Winny the Bish said:
£15m has been injected into the club that doesn’t have to be repaid.

Could be King wiping out some debts, providing cash for transfers, paying player and staff wages over the non-football months, or the less likely option of an investor purchasing 10% of the club.
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Does that mean our club is valued at £150m without a ground if it was indeed someone purchasing 10% or is it just a boosted price slightly based on less being brought.
(it’s almost definitely to do with operating costs, stadium deal, wages, bonuses, training ground and other expenses like that but still)
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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PUSB-We_are_going_up said:
Does that mean our club is valued at £150m without a ground if it was indeed someone purchasing 10% or is it just a boosted price slightly based on less being brought.
(it’s almost definitely to do with operating costs, stadium deal, wages, bonuses, training ground and other expenses like that but still)
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For a share issue the club can be valued at whatever the owner decides.
It’s not the same as market value
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Jun 5, 2025
  • #24
Ashley investing ?
 
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speedie87

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  • Jun 5, 2025
  • #25
It think it means whoever filed those forms might have cocked up!

So this company is the holding company of the football club company. That basically rams this company owns all the shares in the football club company.

Previously this holding company had issued 11000000 Ordinary £0.01 shares. Some had been issued for £3.14 per share, some at £3.06 and some at £2.06. The par value of issued shares was £110000

we knew that Doug owns at least 75% if not all of those shares.

The company has now issued 1222222 A Ordinary shares. So a different class of shares for £15m - so £12.27 per share.

We don’t know who those shares have been issued to or what is the difference between the Ordinary share and A ordinary shares as yet. I would expect a resolution should have been filed at this point which might give more detail but there hasn’t been.

I expect these new A shares have been issued to someone other than Doug. I think someone has bought 10% stake in this holding company for £15m. .

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1) when I say someone has paid £x for shares it doesn’t necessarily mean that’s new money coming in to pay for the shares. An existing loan due to someone for the same value could been used as the consideration for the shares.

The (form) has been filled in as if the nominal value of the new shares is £12.27 however that was the amount Paid per share - the nominal value of the shares is likely only£0.01 per share.
 
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hamil99

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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Sorry I have limited understanding of finances, but let's say if DK has sold 10% of the club for 15 million would he have to disclose this? Or can he sell percentages of the club without informing the fan base?
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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hamil99 said:
Sorry I have limited understanding of finances, but let's say if DK has sold 10% of the club for 15 million would he have to disclose this? Or can he sell percentages of the club without informing the fan base?
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Why would he need to inform the fanbase?

I think it’s only over 15% owners that need to be disclosed to the EFL
 
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hamil99

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Why would he need to inform the fanbase?

I think it’s only over 15% owners that need to be disclosed to the EFL
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That was my question, if it needs to be disclosed or not. So they only would if it's 15% or over, that's interesting.
 

edgy

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  • Jun 5, 2025
  • #29
Don't think he has "sold 10%" of the club (existing shares), more like he has introduced new shares for fresh investment. I think this essentially is like a funding raise whereby the new shares dilute the overall individual share value.

So, say the club's value or market cap is £100m, with 1m shares in issue. That is £100 per share. Now DK introduces 500000 new shares at a certain price (£15m in this case) and sells them to someone. The value or MC of the club doesnt change, but this now means there is 1.5m shares in issue at £66.66 per share.
 
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Calista

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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fernandopartridge said:
The club has already got a revolving credit facility
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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hamil99 said:
That was my question, if it needs to be disclosed or not. So they only would if it's 15% or over, that's interesting.
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It’s around that. It’s the reason given as to why SISU didn’t have to name their investors, no one entity owned 15% of the club. They were investment fund 1, 2 etc
 
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SAJ

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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hamil99 said:
Sorry I have limited understanding of finances, but let's say if DK has sold 10% of the club for 15 million would he have to disclose this? Or can he sell percentages of the club without informing the fan base?
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You are not required to tell the fan base anything. That would be like Marks and Spencer’s selling shares then having to notify all their customers what they are doing.
 
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hamil99

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
It’s around that. It’s the reason given as to why SISU didn’t have to name their investors, no one entity owned 15% of the club. They were investment fund 1, 2 etc
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So he could sell let's say 40% of the club, 10% to four different investors and not have to name them? Or is it 15% in total of the club and then he'd have to name them?
 

speedie87

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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hamil99 said:
So he could sell let's say 40% of the club, 10% to four different investors and not have to name them? Or is it 15% in total of the club and then he'd have to name them?
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It has to note on companies house any people who have significant control

at moment Doug is only person listed and he’s in the 75-100% share ownership category. So it will only be if more than 25% of the company is owned by someone else he’d drop to the 51-75% category.
If someone else owned 25% they would have to be listed but if say 2 parties both had 15% they wouldn’t
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Jun 5, 2025
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Good article in the Telegraph on what it could be. Mostly stuff on here but also mentioned it could be Doug converting some of the director loans into shares in order for them to not have to be repaid
 
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