How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?
Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.
Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?
Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.
Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
If those of you can't understand how the system works then don't just assume you are right.
We keep hearing 150k rent was offered. That is incorrect so please drop that point.
There are two sides to every dispute like it or not and there has to be two sides coming together in order for a solution to be found.
The fact some on here are spouting that there is only one solution and that is SISU must go at all cost merely tells me you have no thought for the very survival of CCFC.
I will state it as many times as it takes: I'm no fan of SISU and there attitude and decision making. And there is a BUT. There always is if you are going to try and find a solution. ACL/Council at this point in time (regardless of the history to this dispute) are indeed in a position to offer a deal to Otium to come back to the Ricoh. Until they make such a formal offer I find it difficult to believe in their motives as much as it is to believe in SISU's motives.
Like it or not we are where we are at this moment and it can be fixed.
It's alright saying I'm not for SISU but.When I hear a but come you can be sure that means then again I may be !
Your either for them or against them and the vast majority of us hate them with a passion as they are the chief culprits in all this trouble,they should get out and let someone come in who know how to run a Football club.
Tim Fisher is loathed and lets not pretend otherwise as he is just an arrogant man in a suit who hasn't a clue about the real passion of a Fan,and shouldn't be let anywhere near a Football Club ! He should be running a Holiday Camp somewhere !
I never said there was equal measures of blame!
James most are fully aware that was not at all Joy's statement!? Are you actually using that too? (prove it to me and I'll retract it)
Like the 150k rent offer, also not true.
Christ people just use the facts not your own misguided thoughts.
OK Cheshire I'll bite.
Take just one point repeated over and over.
150k rent was offered to SISU.
True or False?
It's false but how many on here continue to mention it as though it was true?
Pax the last time i checked acl ccc don't own ccfc maybe you fail to understand this ?
OK Cheshire I'll bite.
Take just one point repeated over and over.
150k rent was offered to SISU.
True or False?
It's false but how many on here continue to mention it as though it was true?
uh ?no they do not. you are wrong. your posting privileges have been revoked for 48hours.
Wasn't it offered to ccfc ltd and not otium, with all the crap that's gone on my brain is fried so I could be wrongPax
You argue constantly that the 150k rent was not offered to sisu....
Do you know it wasn't? Or is your own argument based on your own conjecture to support a faltering sisu case for the defence?
acl care shitsu don't give a monkeys. Is it that difficult.
Pax
Quite how you conclude that SISU and acl are equally responsible for this sorry tale beggars belief.
They are not
Sisu are responsible for the decline of ccfc over a continued period.Quite why you won't consider the evidence and conclude same leads me to be concerned for your sanity!
You don't have to return a unanimous verdict. Majority will do?
SISU guilty or not guilty of running ccfc to almost extinction?
The offer was made to the administrator of CCFC Ltd which in itself was pointless. It included a 10 year agreement of rent starting at
150k and rising dependent on league status and a whole bunch of other stuff none of which included any of those revenue stream ideas so important to the club.
It was a dumb offer and not made to the controlling party of the football club at all - and frankly more publicity stunt than anything.
But wait a minute....ACL can't be so dastardly could they?
Can you show me where the ACL offer was written down and what it actually contained?The offer was made to the administrator of CCFC Ltd which in itself was pointless. It included a 10 year agreement of rent starting at
150k and rising dependent on league status and a whole bunch of other stuff none of which included any of those revenue stream ideas so important to the club.
It was a dumb offer and not made to the controlling party of the football club at all - and frankly more publicity stunt than anything.
But wait a minute....ACL can't be so dastardly could they?
Can you show me where the ACL offer was written down and what it actually contained?
What am I your baby sitter?
Okay well thanks to Jack Griffin I have managed to find something reported about details of the 150K deal but it isn't anything like the full of details. The Telegraph reports this:The offer was made to the administrator of CCFC Ltd which in itself was pointless. It included a 10 year agreement of rent starting at
150k and rising dependent on league status and a whole bunch of other stuff none of which included any of those revenue stream ideas so important to the club.
It was a dumb offer and not made to the controlling party of the football club at all - and frankly more publicity stunt than anything.
But wait a minute....ACL can't be so dastardly could they?
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/ricoh-arena-offers-massively-reduce-5385570Cove Telegraph Article by Les Reid said:The ACL offer revealed today includes discussions about Coventry City obtaining more matchday revenue, including food and drink sales, which are tied up in a contract with private company Compass.
The deal tabled today at a crucial creditors' meeting with administrator Paul Appleton would see the rent go up to £400,000 if the Sky Blues are promoted to the Championship, and down to £100,000 if they are relegated to Division Two.
Les Reid on Twitter said:Les Reid @Lesreidpolitics 30 Jul
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE 4: ACL rent offer & signing off CVA to end #CCFC admin offered only IF owners Sisu scraps Judicial Review against council
Les Reid @Lesreidpolitics 30 Jul
BREAKING 3: As tweeted earlier, crucially, council Ricoh firm ACL offering #CCFC no deal on part or all stadium ownership
Les Reid @Lesreidpolitics 30 Jul
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE 2: Ricoh firm ACL suing Northampton Town in High Court for damages over proposed Coventry City groundshare
Les Reid @Lesreidpolitics 30 Jul
BREAKING EXCLUSIVE 1: Ricoh firm ACL seek 10-yr rent deal with #CCFC of £150k in League 1, £400k Championship, £100k L2
Les Reid @Lesreidpolitics 30 Jul
BREAKING (More) confirmed ACL seeking 10 year rent agreement with #CCFC. But NO offer on table for part Ricoh ownership
Thanks!This is what the BBC reported.. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/football/23515733
and Sky http://www1.skysports.com/football/...t-minute-rental-deal-to-remain-at-ricoh-arena
and ITV http://www.itv.com/news/central/story/2013-07-30/fans-await-coventry-decision/
and Coventry Telegraph http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/news/coventry-news/ricoh-arena-offers-massively-reduce-5385570
Whatever Paxman contends about no offer being made I think those are the rates on offer for renting for the stadium provided a long term deal is signed & the parties cease legal actions & as suggested in the CET article negotiations could then continue about other income streams.
It was only offered with the conditions that Appleton said was illegal however (dropping of the JR) and even when Appleton asked them to go away and revise their offer to make it legal (one could argue that potentially that was an invitation to a position of acceptance), it wasn't done.
Now, as conspiracy theories are rife over here, my question would be why this wasn't revised?
Is it along the lines of Hoffman's 'pay the rent' offer and other such stunts, an offer they *knew* couldn't be accepted, but is done for the PR gain rather than an actual attempt to find a solution?
As of yet, they have still refused to speak to Fisher anymore than Fisher has spoken to them also... which is all a little pathetic on all sides.
It was only offered with the conditions that Appleton said was illegal however (dropping of the JR) and even when Appleton asked them to go away and revise their offer to make it legal (one could argue that potentially that was an invitation to a position of acceptance), it wasn't done.
Now, as conspiracy theories are rife over here, my question would be why this wasn't revised?
Is it along the lines of Hoffman's 'pay the rent' offer and other such stunts, an offer they *knew* couldn't be accepted, but is done for the PR gain rather than an actual attempt to find a solution?
As of yet, they have still refused to speak to Fisher anymore than Fisher has spoken to them also... which is all a little pathetic on all sides.
Another one who needs to wake up and smell the coffee. ACL or no better than the present owners....ACL haven't been paying the wages of the players and staff week in and week out to keep the club going....If ACL really cared about the club then they would stop arranging meaningless games on a Sunday, to entice the fans away from watching the team....and get round the table and talk about how the owners and ACL can work together...
If SISU really cared about the fans they wouldn't have moved us 34-5 miles away from our home city. They also wouldn't have screwed up the finances by doing the same as there is no commercial sense in moving us to Northampton.Another one who needs to wake up and smell the coffee. ACL or no better than the present owners....ACL haven't been paying the wages of the players and staff week in and week out to keep the club going....If ACL really cared about the club then they would stop arranging meaningless games on a Sunday, to entice the fans away from watching the team....and get round the table and talk about how the owners and ACL can work together...
It was only offered with the conditions that Appleton said was illegal however (dropping of the JR) and even when Appleton asked them to go away and revise their offer to make it legal (one could argue that potentially that was an invitation to a position of acceptance), it wasn't done.
Reacting to ACL's statement, Mr Appleton added: "I have noted ACL's statement released today with some interest.
"Put simply, we do not understand the comments being made by ACL with regard to the ability to put forward new proposals.
"As I said in my earlier statement, the proposals ACL required simply did not comply with the law. They were offered the chance to submit modifications, which DID comply with the law, yet for reasons best known to themselves, they chose not to do so.
"The Company will now proceed according to our proposals made as Administrator that were accepted by the majority of creditors including ACL."
I'll grant you your pedantry as I'd probably do the same
Doesn't alter my general point however, that their refusal to change their proposal (and their dogmatic refusal to talk directly with Fisher) suggests an attempt to make an offer that is not actually an offer.
In the PR stakes, an offer that can't be accepted is a rather good tactic...
So what was the reason to prevent going ahead on the terms offered? Come back & tell me if you ever find out.
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