acl care shitsu don't give a monkeys. Is it that difficult.now i'm no sisu fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at sisu?
As owners of our football club by default i must support them as much as i can, in sickness and in health, even when i can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.
So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of sisu. Acl and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as sisu's.
We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the ricoh.
So if it's nopm against sisu what is it against the acl/council? Are you willing to boycott the ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?
Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?
Because they are the owners of the club and are responsible for the management, strategy and direction the club takes.
The other parties you mention are not without fault, but are in essence third parties.
The Council and ACL are tied to Coventry, and were here long before, and will be here long after SISU are a bad memory.
acl care shitsu don't give a monkeys. Is it that difficult.
no they do not. you are wrong. your posting privileges have been revoked for 48hours.
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?
As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.
So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.
We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.
So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?
Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
what a big bag of bollocksacl care shitsu don't give a monkeys. Is it that difficult.
acl care shitsu don't give a monkeys. Is it that difficult.
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?
As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.
So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.
We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.
So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?
Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
yet another bullshit war analogy, get a grip manHow is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?
Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.
Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
yet another bullshit war analogy, get a grip man
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?
Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.
Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
how am I spineless exactly? Because I think your war analogy is crap?Yet another example of a spineless wretch.
If those of you can't understand how the system works then don't just assume you are right.
We keep hearing 150k rent was offered. That is incorrect so please drop that point.
There are two sides to every dispute like it or not and there has to be two sides coming together in order for a solution to be found.
The fact some on here are spouting that there is only one solution and that is SISU must go at all cost merely tells me you have no thought for the very survival of CCFC.
I will state it as many times as it takes: I'm no fan of SISU and there attitude and decision making. And there is a BUT. There always is if you are going to try and find a solution. ACL/Council at this point in time (regardless of the history to this dispute) are indeed in a position to offer a deal to Otium to come back to the Ricoh. Until they make such a formal offer I find it difficult to believe in their motives as much as it is to believe in SISU's motives.
Like it or not we are where we are at this moment and it can be fixed.
Now I'm no SISU fan any more than the next person but why are all these protest, campaigns etc designed and aimed merely at SISU?
As owners of our football club by default I must support them as much as I can, in sickness and in health, even when I can't agree with their entire stance but hope that if they achieve what's right for them it will be better for our club. The problem is they have taken their stance to the ultimate degree of fragility and all fans find it hard to support their stance. But it's clear they will not leave before finding a solution that will at some point enable them to get out at the earliest opportunity.
So why is it that we are not protesting and campaigning about the other protagonist in this ever developing saga in the same fervent manner? The problem we find ourselves in is not all because of SISU. ACL and the council can affect what happens if they so desire to try. They seem to have been too ready to dismiss all opportunities of reconciliation with the football club regardless of ownership issues. Their stance is as dominant as SISU's.
We need a more balanced view and protest aimed at all parties in this dispute if we are to bring about change and ultimately get our football club back at the Ricoh.
So if it's NOPM against SISU what is it against the ACL/Council? Are you willing to boycott the Ricoh arena entirely? No concerts, no casino visits etc etc?
Both sides need a clear message that they and they alone can bring about a solution together. While they remain apart there can be no solution.
Pax
Quite how you conclude that SISU and acl are equally responsible for this sorry tale beggars belief.
They are not
Sisu are responsible for the decline of ccfc over a continued period.Quite why you won't consider the evidence and conclude same leads me to be concerned for your sanity!
You don't have to return a unanimous verdict. Majority will do?
SISU guilty or not guilty of running ccfc to almost extinction?
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?
Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.
Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
How is it so damned difficult for some people to see who the real enemy is?
Did the British people, during the last war, blame Belgium for letting Germany march across them (again) - NO.
Did they blame Switzerland for remaining neutral (again)- NO.
Did they blame the USA for being late to join in (again) - NO.
No, they focused on defeating Nazi Germany, the real enemy.
Blaming ACL, Higgs, the council, Football League Hoffman, Richardson, etc for our current predicament is pointless. There is only one party that needs its arse kicking to resolve the problem and that is SISU and if sacrifices need to be made to do this, then so be it.
Christ, someone should email Godwin!
I never said there was equal measures of blame!
James most are fully aware that was not at all Joy's statement!? Are you actually using that too? (prove it to me and I'll retract it)
Like the 150k rent offer, also not true.
Christ people just use the facts not your own misguided thoughts.
people shouting Godwins Law as a response rather than arguing against his points are worse than than using a nazi analogy, His point was obvious, his point was fair, it's not like he actually compared sisu to nazis, he shouldn't have used them as an analogy if only for the fact it allows responses like yours which are unhelpful and diversionary.
There was no omg Tim Fisher is evil he is like so much worse than hitler, sisu are such nazis what they are doing to us is as bad as what the nazi's did to the jews. Something like that would deserve ridicule and cries of Godwins Law. Using an analogy of how people involved in the war blamed the main villians rather attributing equal blame between the main villains and everyone who hadn't acted perfectly is a very fair point. We hear alot of I'm unbiased, both sides are to blame and while it's fair that some blame does like with the council and acl it's really a tiny amount and if sisu had acted even 1/10th as reasonably as acl then we'd be playing in Coventry. So really the both sides share blame argument while technically true is exceptionally misleading.
Paxman, because Sisu are 99.9% to blame, that's why. They are liars, cheats, crooks, cold hearted business people who have taken the club out of the city.
Jesus wept, how can you possibly take the stance you do. Unbelievable.
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