The sanctimonious drivel spoken on here is wearing me down.
Lets get a few things straight;
Sixfields is a poor ground compared to the Ricoh.
The atmosphere is terrible. It's at best a reserve game when people used to go to reserve games.
All fans who go do not support sisu or "the plan" (whatever that is) just the team over the 90 minutes they are there.
The game being played out will be played our regardless of attendees. The fact players are being signed at least indicates the club has a 2 year future. I lament the day we ever moved into the infernal arena and sold the one asset we had but we must have 2 years. I hope they are in coventry and not sixfields but either way I'm going to as many games as I can.
The team needs supporting. Nothing, NOTHING will change the stance of both sides in this war.
If people go and want to protest then do so but apathy and casual ambivalence is no longer an acceptable argument as isn't nopm.
130 years of history isn't going to be flushed away if people want to continue the support.
No more threads about those going to sixfields - let's let bygones be bygones.
If he believes we have a guaranteed 2 year future, does that mean that any fans with a conscience can stay away and protest as much as they like, knowing full well the club will still be around in 2016...?
I wouldn't count on that....
The sanctimonious drivel spoken on here is wearing me down.
Lets get a few things straight;
Sixfields is a poor ground compared to the Ricoh.
The atmosphere is terrible. It's at best a reserve game when people used to go to reserve games.
All fans who go do not support sisu or "the plan" (whatever that is) just the team over the 90 minutes they are there.
The game being played out will be played our regardless of attendees. The fact players are being signed at least indicates the club has a 2 year future. I lament the day we ever moved into the infernal arena and sold the one asset we had but we must have 2 years. I hope they are in coventry and not sixfields but either way I'm going to as many games as I can.
The team needs supporting. Nothing, NOTHING will change the stance of both sides in this war.
If people go and want to protest then do so but apathy and casual ambivalence is no longer an acceptable argument as isn't nopm.
130 years of history isn't going to be flushed away if people want to continue the support.
No more threads about those going to sixfields - let's let bygones be bygones.
I won't be setting foot in Sixfields - to do so would be an endorsement of SISU and their policy, which has needlessly and unilaterally brought the club where it is today.
casual ambivalence is no longer an acceptable argument
NOTHING will ever change @ Sixfields or the Ricoh until Sisu are gone , there goal is money , Or saddling the club with there debts ... They have no interest in the long term future of the club. So you go support that "Grendel & co" Just amazed you cant see there is no future under this lot !!!
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The JR result should have been the end of it.
Who is having difficulty with that?
Anyone who talks about "it won't bring them home you know. It won't make a difference".
If you understood it was a moral decision you'd realise how silly those comments are.
Every owners goal is money and some form of return.
I think that is in reply to when people say that if nobody went the club would be straight back isn't it?
Every owners goal is money and some form of return. It's not and will never be an objective exclusive to SISU.
If the club has borrowed money then it goes somewhere.. mostly to fund the losses because the club can't stand on it's own two feet. If this situation had been dealt with properly back 10 years ago we wouldn't be in the problem we are now.. and SISU would probably never have been involved.
The No.1 priority has to be to get Coventry back to the Ricoh... the battle to get rid of SISU has to be put aside for now.
It was Grendels reason for starting to attend IIRC. He said it was obvious it wasn't making a difference so he went. Touchy and others have said the same thing at times.
The extension here of course is that if you do understand its a moral decision then you shouldn't be bleating about how it's so unfair people don't like you for doing something they see as amoral.
I get fundamentalist Christians don't like abortion, or green activists don't like 4x4s. I don't complain when my actions piss them off, I just accept that we have different value structures and I don't agree with their priorities.
I guess you would complain if they were telling you over and over though wouldn't you?
So bascially, many want there to be a protest at Sixfields as those who attend should do something about it. But, those who don't go to Sixfields won't join in because...they don't go to Sixfields? So, a case of do as I say not do as I do?
So bascially, many want there to be a protest at Sixfields as those who attend should do something about it. But, those who don't go to Sixfields won't join in because...they don't go to Sixfields? So, a case of do as I say not do as I do?
No they want you not to go (do as I do). If that's not possible they want to see a protest because then they don't feel like those in Sixfields support the actions.
As Noggin posted there are many that come across as supportive of the move and of Sisus tactics. I've personally heard season ticket holders talk as if there are two disparate types of fan "us and the others". That shit breeds division and suspicion. People want to understand that you're going because your weak or because you have a kid or whatever but not because you support Sisu. If you align yourself with an entity that others see as destructive to the club, expect their ire.
It is a fair question as to why there's only been one protest though.
Anyway man, it's all fear. Fear your doing the wrong thing, fear the others actions will cause harm, fear the club might split in two and you'll lose all at made it special an communal. People are just scared. You can't be too harsh in extreme conditions. Let's just hope it's all resolved when we're home.
The Us and them divide imo hasn't come because people have attended Sixfields (though I don't think its the right choice) and it hasn't come because a few idiots called them scabs, it's come about because they are all seen and all act as if they are on the side of sisu, they say they aren't and I do believe they don't think sisu has been at all good for the club but most (all?) of the regular sixfield attenders that are also regular posters spend their energy on here criticising the criticism of sisu, they spend their time criticising the council and acl and most continue too despite the JR verdict, they spend their time trying to make people look bad with little snarky remarks and taking peoples arguments out of context, this along with the fact there are almost no protests in sixfields further makes people believe that the sixfield attendees aren't on the same side as the rest of us.
If sisu out regularly rang around sixfields with banners, if there wasn't constant criticism of those people criticising sisu then we would all feel we were on the same side and everyone would for the most part get along, there would be the occasional idiot of course but then that person would be shot down by both groups. we could easily have 2k people going to sixfields and the rest boycotting and still feel we are on the same side just exercising our beliefs differently.
"No more threads about those going to sixfields - let's let bygones be bygones."
you realise of course Grendel that you are single handedly the biggest source of arguments, of division, of hatred, of bickering on this site, I'm not suggesting you say the worst stuff because you don't at all, there has been some really scummy and horrible things said by some people on both sides (more on the don't attend side its true, but these idiots are shot down and do not cause the division.
The JR result should have been the end of it.
Most people outside of Coventry don't realise it's a boycott
If someone did an analysis on political leaning (ie extreme left wing, left wing, center , right wing, extreme right wing on on those people who are more anti CCC/ACL than anti SISU I wonder if a correlation would be found?
Are right wing people more inclined to back SISU or has political leaning nothing to do with it?
I dont know the answer to my hypothetical question but it would be interesting to know.
I think that is in reply to when people say that if nobody went the club would be straight back isn't it?
If someone did an analysis on political leaning (ie extreme left wing, left wing, center , right wing, extreme right wing on on those people who are more anti CCC/ACL than anti SISU I wonder if a correlation would be found?
Are right wing people more inclined to back SISU or has political leaning nothing to do with it?
I dont know the answer to my hypothetical question but it would be interesting to know.
You're right about the opening bit of your post. However, it is also the majority of owners goals to actually make progress and not go backwards, not alienate a massive majority of it's fanbase, not look to seek money through the courts in futile causes, not to move the club it owns 35 miles from the city it took it's name, not look to threaten anybody who questions them (including fans) with being sued, not to lie to their fans and to generally be good for the club they own.
So that is why you cannot lump Sisu/Otium in with other owners of football clubs. They are a breed apart and not one that is good for CCFC.
Plenty of left wingers hate the council. But there's a definite correlation between those who assume incompetence and greed in politics and those that have been desperate for the conspiracy stories to be true.
Speaking of which: did I miss the GCBTTR statement post JR?
Most people outside of Coventry don't realise it's a boycott
I don't think it does to be honest, people like Grendel and Torch have great opinions on things like homosexulaity, transexuality and equality. We've seen more bigotry and misogyny from the side of the debate I'm on unfortunately.
Why would somebody be weak for going? This is the stuff I don't get.
It was Grendels reason for starting to attend IIRC. He said it was obvious it wasn't making a difference so he went. Touchy and others have said the same thing at times.
The extension here of course is that if you do understand its a moral decision then you shouldn't be bleating about how it's so unfair people don't like you for doing something they see as amoral.
I get fundamentalist Christians don't like abortion, or green activists don't like 4x4s. I don't complain when my actions piss them off, I just accept that we have different value structures and I don't agree with their priorities.
To go all armchair psychologist for a moment: there's a case to be made that those that are the most hateful of those saying "scab" etc are those that feel worst about going to Sixfields.
If I insult your basket weaving skills you don't care, if I insult a strength you have (Nick, you're a shit web admin) you brush it off as nonsense. We only react when we see an element of truth in the insult.
Call me stupid all you like, but don't call me fat kinda thing.
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