IF ONLY - Mark Robins had started in August !!! (1 Viewer)

[johnniericoh]

Basking in the glory of another MR win my good mate Cloughy wanted to know where we would be today after 29 games if MR had started the season and maintained current form over that period.

His record since taking over on Sep'12 against Carlisle reads:

P 22
W 12
D 4
L 6

Pts 40

Pos'n 7th

If we extrapolate that form over 29 games we would have 53 points just 3 behind Tranmere and Doncaster and comfortably in third place.

In addition our win ratio would have been in excess of 55% !!!

All of this begs the question - was MR available during last years close season ???

 

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[Grendel]

We'd be in the top 4 no argument.

 

[Ash]

It was Shaw's disastrous stint in charge that set us back a long way. Whatever people say about Thorn at least he got us a few points!

 

[ohitsaidwalker king power]

It was Shaw's disastrous stint in charge that set us back a long way. Whatever people say about Thorn at least he got us a few points!

3 points to be precise

 

[Ash]

Indeed....

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

Thorn did feck all but take the cash, Proven by what MR has done

I expect Andy right now coming home from the winter carribean holiday , he has a lot of cash to get through . He will never ever be a manager at any decent level, which was obvious after about 2 months

Greedy twat

 

[Paxman II]

can't disagree with that. It must be said also that we have also thrown away some 23 points from winning positions? Imagine if we had converted a few of those under our current form? We would be walking this league!!

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

can't disagree with that. It must be said also that we have also thrown away some 23 points from winning positions? Imagine if we had converted a few of those under our current form? We would be walking this league!!

It was very nearly 25 today! Think it's as clear as day that retaining Thorn and faffing over hiring Robins has made promotion a whole lot harder than necessary.

 

[hill83]

FAO: PSGM :jerkit:

 

[barnsleyskyblue]

Robins is heading for the big time without doubt, just hope we have him long enough to get back up, if we do lot back up within two seasons and sort the off field Shite we could well hold on to him.

 

[cloughie]

what about if the season had started when MR took over where would we be now

 

[skybluesteve76]

I've got no doubt we'd of won this league with ease.

 

[DH - Sky Blue]

His post match comments are always spot on too. Alternatively this was rambled by Dickov:

Manager Paul Dickov, while disappointed, was able to take positives from the defeat on their first-ever visit to the Ricoh Arena.

He said: "It was sickening and a tough one to take as I thought we definitely deserved at least one point. After we equalised, there was only one team wanting to win it.

"In the match we had three one on ones with their goalkeeper and, after we scored, Chris Sutherland had a great chance six yards out. We have to start taking them.

"Coventry broke and scored in the 95th minute which is the way things are going for us at the moment.

"What we have to do is roll up our sleeves, get stuck in and get on with it. There is nothing wrong with the character in the side - it’s just little things which are not going our way at the moment like Matt Smith being rugby tackled when we ought to have been awarded a penalty.

"I told to the players I feel for them, but don’t feel sorry for them as we cannot afford to feel sorry for ourselves. Life is all about challenges and so is football.

"And if the players show me the effort, character and commitment they did today, we will be fine."

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

Awaits psgm post on how we would have lost without Elliott and Bailey today....

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

To be honest DH nothing he said there is inaccurate. It ignores Bouzanis decking McSheff in the first half and Baker getting wrestled in the 2nd, mind.

 

[DH - Sky Blue]

To be honest DH nothing he said there is inaccurate. It ignores Bouzanis decking McSheff in the first half and Baker getting wrestled in the 2nd, mind.

I don't think they did deserve a point and I failed to see his 'rugby tackle' claim. Also saying we didn't want to win it. Had we gone on to lose i think MR would have stated areas we weren't at our best in, instead of picking up on little decisions and complaining.

 

[deanocity3]

his post match comments are always spot on too. Alternatively this was rambled by dickov:

Manager paul dickov, while disappointed, was able to take positives from the defeat on their first-ever visit to the ricoh arena.

He said: "it was sickening and a tough one to take as i thought we definitely deserved at least one point. After we equalised, there was only one team wanting to win it.

"in the match we had three one on ones with their goalkeeper and, after we scored, chris sutherland had a great chance six yards out. We have to start taking them.

"coventry broke and scored in the 95th minute which is the way things are going for us at the moment.

"what we have to do is roll up our sleeves, get stuck in and get on with it. There is nothing wrong with the character in the side - it’s just little things which are not going our way at the moment like matt smith being rugby tackled when we ought to have been awarded a penalty.

"i told to the players i feel for them, but don’t feel sorry for them as we cannot afford to feel sorry for ourselves. Life is all about challenges and so is football.

"and if the players show me the effort, character and commitment they did today, we will be fine."

dickov is a anagram of covkid

 

[TrueSkyBlueLiam]

To be fair to Thorny, he probs would have done a lot better if his best players hadnt left. Lets look at the players that left while he was in charge. Lee Carsley, Marlon King, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Lukas Jutkiewz (dunno how to spell it), Aron Gunnarson, Ben Turner and Gael Bigirimana. He did well keeping us up as caretaker and he was a damn-sight better than Shaw with the same squad. Robins has brought in Goldie, Moussa, Bailey, Adams and L. Clarke all for free or on loan and look at the differance. I do think Thorny has had a lot of critisism that he shouldnt have had. He tried his best but just couldnt keep us up. And at the end of the day, he's a scout, not a real manager. He brought in Norwood and Nimely on loan which were great signings. I'm glad Robins is here now as we have someone with the eye of Andy Thorn and the skill of a real manager. Play Up Sky Blues!

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

To be fair to Thorny, he probs would have done a lot better if his best players hadnt left. Lets look at the players that left while he was in charge. Lee Carsley, Marlon King, Keiron Westwood, Richard Keogh, Lukas Jutkiewz (dunno how to spell it), Aron Gunnarson, Ben Turner and Gael Bigirimana. He did well keeping us up as caretaker and he was a damn-sight better than Shaw with the same squad. Robins has brought in Goldie, Moussa, Bailey, Adams and L. Clarke all for free or on loan and look at the differance. I do think Thorny has had a lot of critisism that he shouldnt have had. He tried his best but just couldnt keep us up. And at the end of the day, he's a scout, not a real manager. He brought in Norwood and Nimely on loan which were great signings. I'm glad Robins is here now as we have someone with the eye of Andy Thorn and the skill of a real manager. Play Up Sky Blues!

This season AT signed players he wanted in the summer, he done shit, 3 disappointing draws, ok, we didn't lose, BUT, it was clear that things weren't going to change. His assistant then went on a crazy, freak run that could potentially ruin our season, it was the right decision to sack Thorn when he did, whatever way you look at it...

 

[ccfcway]

dickov is a anagram of covkid

fab ! .

 

[stupot07]

To be honest DH nothing he said there is inaccurate. It ignores Bouzanis decking McSheff in the first half and Baker getting wrestled in the 2nd, mind.

Yeah agree with that. We were actually fortunate that Oldham tried to win it rather than accepting the draw, meant we could hit them and score on the break.

 

[TrueSkyBlueLiam]

This season AT signed players he wanted in the summer, he done shit, 3 disappointing draws, ok, we didn't lose, BUT, it was clear that things weren't going to change. His assistant then went on a crazy, freak run that could potentially ruin our season, it was the right decision to sack Thorn when he did, whatever way you look at it...

It was the right decision but 3 draws isnt bad and i tink is sacking was premature. He was told he would be given a chance and they sacked after 3 draws. If they had sacked him int he summer we would have udnerstood but i think it was stupid to sack him at that point. If Robins had have been manager from the start we could be near the top now, but we probs would have got Paul Ince if we asked at the start of the season as he was afraid of a little work in september. I do think sacking Thorn was inevitable but he did some good things too

 

[PVA]

I made a post on this forum around November 2011ish saying we should get rid of thorn and hire Mark Robins.

If only eh.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

It was the right decision but 3 draws isnt bad and i tink is sacking was premature. He was told he would be given a chance and they sacked after 3 draws. If they had sacked him int he summer we would have udnerstood but i think it was stupid to sack him at that point. If Robins had have been manager from the start we could be near the top now, but we probs would have got Paul Ince if we asked at the start of the season as he was afraid of a little work in september. I do think sacking Thorn was inevitable but he did some good things too

If you think Thorn's sacking was "inevitable", why do you also think his sacking was premature? Quite contradictory. On that logic, why wait if he was going to get sacked anyway, all it would've done was cost us more points, so I ask, how long do you give him?

You're right in saying 3 draws isn't bad, BUT, the manner of the draws were disappointing, we took the lead 3 times, lost the lead, 3 times! 6 points dropped, just like that. We were also making the same mistakes as last year so it was very much, 'same old, same old', therefore, he deserved the sack, most proactive thing the club has done in a long time.

We have MR now, and put bluntly, he's made Thorn and Shaw look ridiculously bad.

 

[Mucca Mad Boys]

I made a post on this forum around November 2011ish saying we should get rid of thorn and hire Mark Robins.

If only eh.

I'd rather events run as they have up to now, because MR would've have had a lot, lot more difficult job on his hands, and how do we know, for sure, MR had kept us up? He's got the club in a similar fashion to Adkins at S'hampton (apart from MR was unemployed) and he has got the opportunity to make CCFC his club (in a sense), build the club in his image with good board backing, he has got a great managerial opportunity with our football club.

 

[Brighton Sky Blue]

I don't think they did deserve a point and I failed to see his 'rugby tackle' claim. Also saying we didn't want to win it. Had we gone on to lose i think MR would have stated areas we weren't at our best in, instead of picking up on little decisions and complaining.

I think considering how sloppily we defended at times Oldham had quite a few great chances. The 'rugby tackle' was in the first half and fortunate to avoid the ref's attention. After they equalised they had their tails up and we looked very shakey; so again I'd say his comments are reasonable, all things considered.

 

[SkyBlue_Bear83]

I'm 90% sure robins wouldn't have took the job November 2011, that was when we had the duleiu sideshow, no investment in the team. Why would he have risked his reputation by taking over a club who were always odds on to be relegated?

Totally different circumstances to when he took the job this season

 

[Diehard Si]

I think it myself, but at least it's taught us to appreciate the turn around. When we came down we expected to be around 3rd.

We did take way too long keeping Shaw in charge though. We could really use some of those 12 points.

 

[Deleted member 4232]

Worst thing about football #21: The constant "if" debate.

 

[sky blue john]

I would take all the fuck ups in hiring and firing to get MR in charge. we nearly got Ince and probably the people moaning now wanted Wise !!!!!

 

[BackRoomRummermill]

MR has definately stopped a downwaed spiral, keeping us up this year is a major achievement

 

[shmmeee]

We'd have another 10 points (extrapolating Robins point total back over the first 7 games) putting us in third and very much in the hunt for top two.

That said, this board would probably be full of threads titled "Robins Out! why aren't we top?"

 

[TrueSkyBlueLiam]

If you think Thorn's sacking was "inevitable", why do you also think his sacking was premature? Quite contradictory. On that logic, why wait if he was going to get sacked anyway, all it would've done was cost us more points, so I ask, how long do you give him?

You're right in saying 3 draws isn't bad, BUT, the manner of the draws were disappointing, we took the lead 3 times, lost the lead, 3 times! 6 points dropped, just like that. We were also making the same mistakes as last year so it was very much, 'same old, same old', therefore, he deserved the sack, most proactive thing the club has done in a long time.

We have MR now, and put bluntly, he's made Thorn and Shaw look ridiculously bad.

I have to say the quality of the draws were very poor. I meant to say that i thought it felt inevitable to me he was leaving in the summer but it didnt happen. Shaw was te worst manager i've ever seen. I'm sorry but he had 1 good result, thats all. Robins has done us proud and i can see him eventually being in the PL. Whether thats with us or another club remains to be seen but he's top quality