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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #596
robbiekeane said:
Can we just stop using the word invest/reinvest when we just mean spend? As obviously they're never going to get a return on any of the money or they and if they did everyone would cry.

So do I think they will spend the money on the squad? No unless we've covered our costs, no. If we've broken even for the year after the sales then I'd hesitate a guess at maybe spending half of it and putting the rest toward next years running costs or a bit of back pay.

Not that that was what the initial topic was though...wasn't it around whether nopm works?
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:facepalm: all I'm saying is, Nick says NOPM doesn't work and I'm saying NOPM does work for SISU :facepalm:

It's not ROCKET SCIENCE !!!
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #597
Nick said:
Who is going to games to support SISU and not CCFC?

More bullshit.
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It is supporting SISU financially and CCFC as a supporter.
 

blueflint

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #598
Nick said:
Who is going to games to support SISU and not CCFC?

More bullshit.
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you for one
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #599
Astute said:
It is supporting SISU financially and CCFC as a supporter.
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Yawn.

How does it support SISU financially?
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #600
blueflint said:
you for one
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Weird, I must have seen into the future when I was 5 or 6 that SISU were coming in when I started going to games.

More predictable bullshit. You don't bother going anyway, yet come on here preaching to others.

I might start telling people they shouldn't be going places and acting a martyr that I am boycotting places I didn't bother with anyway.
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #601
You're not convincing anyone, Nick. You and others can bang on and on about how boycotting SISU simply harms the club and not SISU. You may be factually correct, but you will never convince others. Next season I will , for the first time since 1984 (and of course Sixfields) probably not renew my season ticket . Why ? I'm sick of what SISU have done to my club. They put money in , then destroyed the very foundations of the club, then told us to fuck off and stand alone. Stand on what ? The foundations of the club have gone.

....so that makes me a NOPM does it ? Well no. I hate the owners but I can't stomach watching my team lose week in , week out, with , importantly, no prospect of improvement or investment. I no longer enjoy what I watch. I'd rather spend my money on other interests. I'm not thinking NOPM, though the outcome amounts to the same thing.
NOPM isn't really measureable in terms of numbers. Sure, some say they won't go until SISU have gone. I say I won't go because the football's utter crap and there is no prospect of improvement. Oh yes and the owners are still SISU and that speaks everything for future prospects.

On the subject of fans disrupting matches and the likes of the various supporters groups involved in organised demonstrations etc, Irish Sky Blue puts it very well. The more angry and desperate supporters get , the more they will go it alone and take their own action without the need to "follow" advice. They're not so stupid, they don't need to follow social media or a group or need to be told what to do.
I should think there is likely to be more disruption as our season continues to spiral downwards. Saying it won't hurt SISU and simply hurts the club won't convince most people. The damage has been all of SISU'S making, not CCFC's. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is, and that's how it's perceived. .
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #602
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
You're not convincing anyone, Nick. You and others can bang on and on about how boycotting SISU simply harms the club and not SISU. You may be factually correct, but you will never convince others. Next season I will , for the first time since 1984 (and of course Sixfields) probably not renew my season ticket . Why ? I'm sick of what SISU have done to my club. They put money in , then destroyed the very foundations of the club, then told us to fuck off and stand alone. Stand on what ? The foundations of the club have gone.

....so that makes me a NOPM does it ? Well no. I hate the owners but I can't stomach watching my team lose week in , week out, with , importantly, no prospect of improvement or investment. I no longer enjoy what I watch. I'd rather spend my money on other interests. I'm not thinking NOPM, though the outcome amounts to the same thing.
NOPM isn't really measureable in terms of numbers. Sure, some say they won't go until SISU have gone. I say I won't go because the football's utter crap and there is no prospect of improvement. Oh yes and the owners are still SISU and that speaks everything for future prospects.

On the subject of fans disrupting matches and the likes of the various supporters groups involved in organised demonstrations etc, Irish Sky Blue puts it very well. The more angry and desperate supporters get , the more they will go it alone and take their own action without the need to "follow" advice. They're not so stupid, they don't need to follow social media or a group or need to be told what to do.
I should think there is likely to be more disruption as our season continues to spiral downwards. Saying it won't hurt SISU and simply hurts the club won't convince most people. The damage has been all of SISU'S making, not CCFC's. Rightly or wrongly, that's how it is, and that's how it's perceived. .
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Well no, you won't be NOPM you will just be fed up of shite football. You won't be doing it to try and starve SISU or with a plan behind it, you will just be annoyed at not winning.

What's wrong with pointing out to people who do bang on about NOPM and doing it as a method (Rather than it just being shite football)? I doubt you will be on here acting a Martyr that you don't go, you won't be telling everybody else they need to boycott to get rid of SISU. You will just say "football is shite".
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #603
I will probably not go next season because after decades of supporting the club I grew up with I simply give up. The football is shocking, but , fundamentally, the club has been ruined by our owners beyond repair. That leaves a very bad taste, but it makes the decision not to go much easier. This time next season we may be on the precipice: staring at non-league and ground sharing locally. We will be down to 2,000 season ticket holders, attendances down to below 6,000. Fisher will patronise the fans as usual. Slade will probably leave by Christmas. The familiar cycle will simply continue.
If SISU finally decide the club is not worth holding onto it won't be because of those loyal supporters who still go.
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #604
Alan Dugdales Moustache said:
If SISU finally decide the club is not worth holding onto it won't be because of those loyal supporters who still go.
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Has anybody at all ever said that?
 

Alan Dugdales Moustache

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #605
I just did.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #606
Can't blame anyone for not going because its not enjoyable anymore. Lets face it there can't be many more depressing things to do every weekend.

But not going because its shit, even if that has been caused by our owners, is a lot different to claiming NOPM. You do have to wonder how many who throw NOPM are actually people who have just got fed up of going.

I'm not convinced that if SISU go the attendances will shoot back up.
 
M

Monners

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #607
It's the shite football, but moreover, its the continual downward spiral and no hope with dreadful owners who by their own admission have no interest in the club.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #608
chiefdave said:
Can't blame anyone for not going because its not enjoyable anymore. Lets face it there can't be many more depressing things to do every weekend.

But not going because its shit, even if that has been caused by our owners, is a lot different to claiming NOPM. You do have to wonder how many who throw NOPM are actually people who have just got fed up of going.

I'm not convinced that if SISU go the attendances will shoot back up.
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It wouldn't take much for a club of our size to be towards the top of Division 3 and 4. Add to this SISU going and being able to enjoy going to games again and I can't see why gates wouldn't rise again.
 

chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #609
Monners said:
no hope
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that's the biggest thing IMO. you can have a rubbish season but then be looking forward to the next season hoping for better things. We don't get that.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #610
chiefdave said:
Can't blame anyone for not going because its not enjoyable anymore. Lets face it there can't be many more depressing things to do every weekend.

But not going because its shit, even if that has been caused by our owners, is a lot different to claiming NOPM. You do have to wonder how many who throw NOPM are actually people who have just got fed up of going.

I'm not convinced that if SISU go the attendances will shoot back up.
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Does it matter? It's all a reflection of SISU's failed stewardship of the club. Pissing around trying to decide if it's really NOPM or not just detracts from fact that whatever the reason it's down to failure and on many levels. Why give SISU that hiding place by analysing a reaction to failing instead of analysing the failure. They don't deserve it.
 
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cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #611
Grendel said:
No they just reduce the running costs of the club to balance cash flow. This is a fan ownership style of self sufficiency that some fans crave for.
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It can't get much worse now , you have become like chemical Ali. denial
 

Great_Expectations

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #612
Genuinely cannot believe some of the nonsense on this thread.
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #613
cloughie said:
It can't get much worse now , you have become like chemical Ali. denial
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Isn't it true though? Less money in, they cut the costs even more?

People said this months ago, then there was massive surprise and shock when Fisher mentioned it.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #614
chiefdave said:
that's the biggest thing IMO. you can have a rubbish season but then be looking forward to the next season hoping for better things. We don't get that.
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But we will be in Division 4 next season. We will win lots of gam......

On second thoughts you are right.
 
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cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #615
Nick said:
Yawn.

How does it support SISU financially?
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If no one goes and pay nothing they have to fund it at some level or ?
Yet has they seem determined to hold on to CCFC for some financial gain, whatever that maybe / tax etc then we will see
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #616
Nick said:
Isn't it true though? Less money in, they cut the costs even more?

People said this months ago, then there was massive surprise and shock when Fisher mentioned it.
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They sell players and the money doesn't go to the manager. So it is nothing to do with money coming in these days. The main reason we are bottom of Division 3 IMHO
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #617
cloughie said:
If no one goes and pay nothing they have to fund it or ?
Yet has they seem determined to hold on to CCFC for some financial gain, whatever that maybe / tax etc then we will see
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There will never ever be a full 100% boycott.

They will just cut the costs so numbers balance. It won't hurt SISU, Joy won't be going homeless because people boycott CCFC.
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #618
Nick said:
There will never ever be a full 100% boycott.

They will just cut the costs so numbers balance. It won't hurt SISU, Joy won't be going homeless because people boycott CCFC.
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FFS we know that,do you have some sort of syndrome, and I am not being derogatory to people who have who take every detail literally
 
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Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #619
cloughie said:
FFS we know that,do you have some sort of syndrome, and I am not being derogatory to people who have who take every detail literally
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So it's a pointless argument isn't it?
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #620
Nick said:
So it's a pointless argument isn't it?
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No because if we end up with a few hundred people it might as well be none
but ignore the
Yet has they seem determined to hold on to CCFC for some financial gain, whatever that maybe / tax etc then we will see
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #621
cloughie said:
No because if we end up with a few hundred people it might as well be none
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We won't end up with a few hundred.

If that was to happen it would be the conference or something, SISU still wouldn't be putting any money in or losing out as they will have slashed the outgoings to suit.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #622
cloughie said:
No because if we end up with a few hundred people it might as well be none
but ignore the
Yet has they seem determined to hold on to CCFC for some financial gain, whatever that maybe / tax etc then we will see
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No it wouldn't. There is transfer sales, sell on fees, PL fall out money. They could carry on with a youth team on that basis very easily
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #623
Nick said:
We won't end up with a few hundred.

If that was to happen it would be the conference or something, SISU still wouldn't be putting any money in or losing out as they will have slashed the outgoings to suit.
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Precisely
 

NortonSkyBlue

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #624
I am against a boycott, NOPM hurts CCFC and contributes to where we are. It is not the cause of the downfall but it is self defeating.
It may make the fan feel better about themselves for taking this stance and I understand that. We can't say that NOPM is a protest it's a turning of your back when the team need it most. It's what's in it for me? at a time we should be putting CCFC first
I want CCFC to survive more than I want the owners to go.
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #625
Grendel said:
No it wouldn't. There is transfer sales, sell on fees, PL fall out money. They could carry on with a youth team on that basis very easily
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transfer fees? are you for real, it will not continue as we will have no one left to sell and no academy of any decent standard you fool
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #626
cloughie said:
transfer fees? are you for real, it will not continue as we will have no one left to sell and no academy of any decent standard you fool
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We have Stevenson Willis Haynes Harries and Lameries - we have sell on clauses and add ons for Wilson and Maddison. The fess for these alone would fund a low paid squad for a couple of seasons at least
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #627
Nick said:
We won't end up with a few hundred.

If that was to happen it would be the conference or something, SISU still wouldn't be putting any money in or losing out as they will have slashed the outgoings to suit.
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Possibly where we are heading, yet you miss the point . They are only here for a self serving reason and that is not football. Whatever that maybe but you can bet it benefits sisu financially, otherwise they would be gone
 

Nick

Administrator
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #628
cloughie said:
Possibly where we are heading, yet you miss the point . They are only here for a self serving reason and that is not football. Whatever that maybe but you can bet it benefits sisu financially, otherwise they would be gone
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I'm not missing any point. You said it was denial to say that the outgoings will just be slashed to match the incomings.
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #629
Grendel said:
We have Stevenson Willis Haynes Harries and Lameries - we have sell on clauses and add ons for Wilson and Maddison. The fess for these alone would fund a low paid squad for a couple of seasons at least
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A couple of seasons ah good to be looking at the long term future
 

Singerbloke123

New Member
  • Jan 31, 2017
  • #630
jeez what a bloody mess. Really sad to see the club in this state.
 
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