CT report on statements from CCFC, SBT & JHW
Coventry City and fans' group condemn pitch protests
Jimmy Hill Way Campaign call for lawful Coventry City protests only
Yeh but no one listens do they?CT report on statements from CCFC, SBT & JHW
Coventry City and fans' group condemn pitch protests
Jimmy Hill Way Campaign call for lawful Coventry City protests only
Yeh but no one listens do they?
All the FL will do is stick with fisher
As for sharing responsibility well you could argue that all three of the above do (CCFC/TRUST/JHW). However none planned or encouraged illegal behaviour and at some point personal responsibility has to step in.
If you are going to apportion blame to the Trust or JHW then those participating in the "protest" must act within the boundaries set - quite clearly the Trust & JHW have said from the start that protests must be peaceful and lawful. Once the "protestors" step away from that and into illegal activity then to my mind that becomes wholly personal responsibility and choice. SISU are the root cause yes but aggression, illegal actions etc are a personal choice.
You might say it was right (I do not) that it was justified, necessary, acceptable, understandable but then you also have to accept any consequences that come with those actions or encouragement of those actions. The club is at the lowest point I have ever known and under siege from all directions - attitudes will harden, division will increase, it will get worse yet
It does irritate that in this dispute and many other things people/entities look to hide behind "it was someone else to blame it wasn't me/us" You have to take responsibility for your own actions or lack of them
Just my opinion, yours may differ and I respect that but expect the same in return
were there any whistles at Sixfields?
were there any whistles at Sixfields?
What saddens me always in this is the lack of empathy. That's not excusing, but understanding. And yes, that goes back to understanding why SISU felt they got to the position they did. Now... it means understanding why some are so frustrated, they feel they have to SHOUT until SOMEBODY HEARS THEM.As for sharing responsibility well you could argue that all three of the above do (CCFC/TRUST/JHW). However none planned or encouraged illegal behaviour and at some point personal responsibility has to step in.
If you are going to apportion blame to the Trust or JHW then those participating in the "protest" must act within the boundaries set - quite clearly the Trust & JHW have said from the start that protests must be peaceful and lawful. Once the "protestors" step away from that and into illegal activity then to my mind that becomes wholly personal responsibility and choice. SISU are the root cause yes but aggression, illegal actions etc are a personal choice.
You might say it was right (I do not) that it was justified, necessary, acceptable, understandable but then you also have to accept any consequences that come with those actions or encouragement of those actions. The club is at the lowest point I have ever known and under siege from all directions - attitudes will harden, division will increase, it will get worse yet
It does irritate that in this dispute and many other things people/entities look to hide behind "it was someone else to blame it wasn't me/us" You have to take responsibility for your own actions or lack of them
Just my opinion, yours may differ and I respect that but expect the same in return
What saddens me always in this is the lack of empathy. That's not excusing, but understanding. And yes, that goes back to understanding why SISU felt the at position. Now... it means understanding why some are so frustrated, they feel they have to SHOUT until SOMEBODY HEARS THEM.
Understanding doesn't mean agreeing, or even excusing, but it then means there can be some kind of effort to see where people are coming from, and maybe even reach out to them. If only certain protagonists had reached out to our owners way back when, we might not bhe here now... if only our owners reached out to the fans now, we might have some hope, if slim. If only they showed they understood why some fans are now desperate...
And that doesn't mean absolving people of responsibility for their actions. Ultimately however this was not large scale, it was a few isolated incidents. It might become large scale of course... and if our owners fail to recognise the potential for that, then they're as responsible as the fans who do such actions, to my mind. That's not casting blame, that's recognising that there is *always* a chance for people to come together...
If they recognise they have that chance.
It doesn't. He's not stupid, he's well aware of where we are.That rules out Fisher even speaking though.
Nothing will work. We have been told so on here enough to know that.Anyone see the pictures of fisher at Northampton in the CT article? He looks horrified for once and clearly these on pitch protests and disruption of games even makes someone who couldn't care less care.
Something must be working
Because it is slowly pushing sisu out there's only going to be so much they can take. Put it this way I'd rather be in league 2 with new ownership than in a league 1 relegation battle with sisu!How is it making anything better?
Can you really see anyone with connections to SISU saying that we are within our rights to protest? All we will get is being blamed for some sort of deal falling through because of it. Like when Fisher blamed us for Butts falling through a couple of hours after the event.That rules out Fisher even speaking though.
It would mean somebody else speaking about it, would they use Slade to do it? "Look, you are well within your rights to protest and we understand but please leave the football side alone off the pitch etc"
Venus can pretty much be written off.
But we are going to be Division 4 with SISU by the look of thingsBecause it is slowly pushing sisu out there's only going to be so much they can take. Put it this way I'd rather be in league 2 with new ownership than in a league 1 relegation battle with sisu!
Can you really see anyone with connections to SISU saying that we are within our rights to protest? All we will get is being blamed for some sort of deal falling through because of it. Like when Fisher blamed us for Butts falling through a couple of hours after the event.
Wouldn't Fisher telling us to calm down mean he wants us to go mental?Which is why I said it's pointless Fisher opening his mouth if the aim is to try and calm the fans down.
Every cloud...Relegation also makes it less likely we will be able to afford to pay the franchise their rent money as well.
Relegation also makes it less likely we will be able to afford to pay the franchise their rent money as well.
Excellent post sums it up for me completely, I was there with my 9 year old Saturday, probably his fifth away game ever, said he really enjoyed it regardless of the result because of the fans passion. I don't condone it but people are angry and pissed off and when you mix it with alcohol this is the result, I think it will get worse personallyThe problem is when you treat people with utter contempt.
When you move their football club to another town.
When you promise them you are building a new stadium.
When you promise them you are buying land for the new stadium in theee weeks.
When you take legal action that might help a different business but completely hurts CCFC.
Then when you run the club in such a way that it sits bottom of division 3.
When this all happens and some fans vent their anger, you then arrogantly blame those fans for.....
Losing the club matches
Putting off investors and putting off potential new staff.
That toxic leadership approach just fuels the situation and provokes more anger.
SISU have annoyed all of us. They have annoyed around 40,000-60,000 Coventry city fans.
Now in all walks of life in a pool of 40,000-60,000 people. Everyone reacts very differently to someone upsetting you.
I don't agree with flares and I don't agree with pitch invasions. However am I surprised it is happening?
Not in the slightest.
To be honest I am surprised it took this long.
Got to say I've never heard the C bomb and Nonce as much as I have on Saturday! Some real anger in the stands and it's no suprise as SISU have really treated fans with contempt
Give it another couple of years and I reckon the protests will even take place during the franchise's matches as well.Excellent post sums it up for me completely, I was there with my 9 year old Saturday, probably his fifth away game ever, said he really enjoyed it regardless of the result because of the fans passion. I don't condone it but people are angry and pissed off and when you mix it with alcohol this is the result, I think it will get worse personally
If we had new owners the atmosphere at our club would suddenly change. We would get many supporters back. It would be a totally different ball game (still football)By the end of the season I reckon it'll get a hell of a lot worse. Sadly even with different owners in League 2 it is unlikely that it'll get any better in the long-run either.
Have to say, if we won games in the division below, the atmosphere'd get better. Only reason it's exploding (again) now is because we're so utterly inept on the pitch as well - last season masked the horrendous failures of the club, to an extent.If we had new owners the atmosphere at our club would suddenly change. We would get many supporters back. It would be a totally different ball game (still football)
I already have and we are going back to where I first started so nothing new to me. I loved them then and I love them now....Relegation also means that many of us will have then seen City play in all 4 tiers.....
....bet we finish 17th next season.
Bet you're spoiled for choice.Sky Blue Dildos in pockets for the pat downs then at games?
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