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stupot07

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #176
bigfatronssba said:
Many of us were disgusted that so many (or maybe not in this case) felt the need to go and support a move to Northampton, but that was their choice apparently and so shouldn't be criticised for it.
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Didn't stop you and others them they were wrong.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #177
bigfatronssba said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...officials-caught-bizarre-balloon-protest.html
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An eye witness account reported in the Daily Mail-congratulations Sherlock.
 
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Steve.B50

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #178
Grendel said:
You spoiled my punch line - the only people he's spoken to is Steve and Jan and they swooned at his feet.
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As well as the previous list, he is meeting with the SCG on Thursday.
If you want further lists of who he is also meeting I suggest you talk to your bosses.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #179
Brighton Sky Blue said:
An eye witness account reported in the Daily Mail-congratulations Sherlock.
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Ah ok, so you believe the eye witness account reported in the Daily Mail regarding the balloons, but not the dog.

Good to see you look at everything with a balanced view.
 

Grendel

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #180
bigfatronssba said:
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/sport/fo...officials-caught-bizarre-balloon-protest.html
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Where does it say he threatened them with his dog? Id be careful if I were you as I don't think you will find much support for that claim from any party involved.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #181
stupot07 said:
Didn't stop you and others them they were wrong.


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I said it was wrong, I didn't say they were disgusting. There is a difference.
 
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Ashdown

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #182
italiahorse said:
Get your facts right before you open your filthy mouth
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/cov-convinced-can-challenge-title-8202599
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That's only just been loaded up !
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #183
Grendel said:
Where does it say he threatened them with his dog? Id be careful if I were you as I don't think you will find much support for that claim from any party involved.
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Where have I said he did?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #184
CCFC said:
Some people just can't see past SISU, any action which is seen as a blow to SISU is a victory in there eyes and should be supported regardless of the action taken and of wider consequences of said action.
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They are the reason that ACL was made available to Wasps so they are due the lion's share of the blame. I don't blame Wasps for snapping this up as they are owned by the same kind of business people that we are and it's a fantastic deal, but I hate that they are here. Call it childish, it's just how I feel about it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #185
bigfatronssba said:
Ah ok, so you believe the eye witness account reported in the Daily Mail regarding the balloons, but not the dog.

Good to see you look at everything with a balanced view.
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The balloon tying was later admitted to by PWKH I believe.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #186
Brighton Sky Blue said:
The balloon tying was later admitted to by PWKH I believe.
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So the eyewitness account proved to be true?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #187
bigfatronssba said:
Where have I said he did?
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Oh dear.

bigfatronssba said:
Was this when our esteemed chairman threatened to have his dog maul someone?
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stupot07

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #188
bigfatronssba said:
I said it was wrong, I didn't say they were disgusting. There is a difference.
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You may not of, but plenty did, and not many spoke out against it.


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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #189
bigfatronssba said:
So the eyewitness account proved to be true?
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For tying the balloons yes, not for Fisher threatening to set his dog on them. Anyway...
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #190
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Oh dear.
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You see at the end of my sentence there is a question mark?
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #191
stupot07 said:
You may not of, but plenty did, and not many spoke out against it.


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The people branded "disgusting" are unlikely to be die hard CCFC fans and therefore probably expressed very little opinion on those that went to Northampton.

These are people that done/said nothing to those that attended Northampton but have now been insulted.
 
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Kingokings204

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #192
Brighton Sky Blue said:
They are the reason that ACL was made available to Wasps so they are due the lion's share of the blame. I don't blame Wasps for snapping this up as they are owned by the same kind of business people that we are and it's a fantastic deal, but I hate that they are here. Call it childish, it's just how I feel about it.
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Yes I would agree more with that. No one can blame wasps for taking this deal. Yes it sucks big time for their fans and franchise sport which I hate but it's a business and as a business deal it's once in a lifetime deal.

If sisu had half a clue then we would be the leaseholders and not wasps. This is why I hold resentment for them. We have paid more rent over the years and it's our stadium ffs. Also many legal bills and court dates. All these things together it should be ours. Either sisu didn't want the lease hold or its "serious mis management" as I think the high court judge called it.

This is why I blame sisu 99% because they hold all the answers and are fully accountable for our club. Look at when they took over to now in those 7 years and where we were and are now.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #193
Who's the best? A baloon or a dog? There's only one way to find out. FIGHT!!!!!
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #194
bigfatronssba said:
The people branded "disgusting" are unlikely to be die hard CCFC fans and therefore probably expressed very little opinion on those that went to Northampton.

These are people that done/said nothing to those that attended Northampton but have now been insulted.
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If they are not ccfc fans, they won't be on this forum, and there will have not read the comments and therefore not be insulted.



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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #195
Kingokings204 said:
Yes I would agree more with that. No one can blame wasps for taking this deal. Yes it sucks big time for their fans and franchise sport which I hate but it's a business and as a business deal it's once in a lifetime deal.

If sisu had half a clue then we would be the leaseholders and not wasps. This is why I hold resentment for them. We have paid more rent over the years and it's our stadium ffs. Also many legal bills and court dates. All these things together it should be ours. Either sisu didn't want the lease hold or its "serious mis management" as I think the high court judge called it.

This is why I blame sisu 99% because they hold all the answers and are fully accountable for our club. Look at when they took over to now in those 7 years and where we were and are now.
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The plan worked until Wasps came in with their offer. Don't think that SISU had factored in another team willing to permanently relocate there and that was the chink in the plan. Had Wasps not come in with an offer SISU's actions would ultimately have landed us the stadium I think. Why am I annoyed with people going? It's the 'ah, will be nice to see some top level sport' attitude. Support should be about where teams are from, not how good they are-perhaps I'm just being an old fashioned sod. Wouldn't be the first time.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #196
bigfatronssba said:
So the eyewitness account proved to be true?
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Apparantly not no
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #197
skybluetony176 said:
Who's the best? A baloon or a dog? There's only one way to find out. FIGHT!!!!!
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I think the balloon would get a 'rrrrruff' deal.
 

bigfatronssba

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #198
stupot07 said:
If they are not ccfc fans, they won't be on this forum, and there will have not read the comments and therefore not be insulted.


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You mean its ok to insult someone so long as its behind their back?

Simple fact is, you either agree with the individuals right to go to whatever events they wish without criticism, or you don't.

If you think those that went to Sixfields shouldn't be judged, then you shouldn't judge those that go to see Wasps. To do anything else is hypocritical.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #199
bigfatronssba said:
You mean its ok to insult someone so long as its behind their back?

Simple fact is, you either agree with the individuals right to go to whatever events they wish without criticism, or you don't.

If you think those that went to Sixfields shouldn't be judged, then you shouldn't judge those that go to see Wasps. To do anything else is hypocritical.
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And you were critical of those that went to Sixfields, yet you're ok with the wasps thing. I also think there's a suttlw difference between following THEIR club and supporting THEIR team, and jumping on a franchise bandwagon.


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bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #200
stupot07 said:
And you were critical of those that went to Sixfields, yet you're ok with the wasps thing. I also think there's a suttlw difference between following THEIR club and supporting THEIR team, and jumping on a franchise bandwagon.


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I haven't said I am ok with the Wasps thing. For what its worth I also believe that local rugby fans should have gone to see CRFC over the years if they liked rugby that much. Also I include those who post on here who have never been to a rugby match in their lives but have suddenly become massive Cov fans based purely on spite for Wasps.

That doesn't detract from the point though, anyone who defended the right to go to a football match in Northampton must now defend the same right to watch rugby at the Ricoh. THEIR reasons for doing it are irrelevant.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #201
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have defended the Higgs before with their £6.5m going some way to keeping the club afloat.
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I'm never overly keen on it not being the done thing to question quite why they got involved with the club then either. It wasn't exactly random..
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #202
Deleted member 5849 said:
I'm never overly keen on it not being the done thing to question quite why they got involved with the club then either. It wasn't exactly random..
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From a sky blue tinted perspective it was a great gesture. For the charity however...obviously didn't work out.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #203
Brighton Sky Blue said:
From a sky blue tinted perspective it was a great gesture.
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Not sure it was you know, based on the board members, and the motivation of short term capital in the hope of a fluked promotion to dig out a hole...

If it's a great gesture, then perhaps we ought to start praising ARVO giving us a load of cash loaned in exchange for a charge over Ryton...
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #204
Deleted member 5849 said:
Not sure it was you know, based on the board members, and the motivation of short term capital in the hope of a fluked promotion to dig out a hole...

If it's a great gesture, then perhaps we ought to start praising ARVO giving us a load of cash loaned in exchange for a charge over Ryton...
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We should praise the people that own us, for lending us money (and charging us interest), to cover losses caused by their incompetence?

Can't see you getting much support for that one NW
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #205
bigfatronssba said:
We should praise the people that own us, for lending us money (and charging us interest), to cover losses caused by their incompetence?

Can't see you getting much support for that one NW
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They gave us a short term cash injection when needed because it was in the interests of the board at the time for them to do so, rather than it being in the club's interests...
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #206
Deleted member 5849 said:
They gave us a short term cash injection when needed because it was in the interests of the board at the time for them to do so, rather than it being in the club's interests...
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So if I'm reading that correctly your saying it would have been better for the club to go under in 2003 rather than Higgs and CCC get involved?

If that's the case I don't disagree with you, but then you also have to ask, off the pitch, how is the situation now any worse than it would have been then?

From what I can see the situation we are in now is no different to where we would have been without a bailout in 2003.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #207
bigfatronssba said:
So if I'm reading that correctly your saying it would have been better for the club to go under in 2003 rather than Higgs and CCC get involved?

If that's the case I don't disagree with you, but then you also have to ask, off the pitch, how is the situation now any worse than it would have been then?

From what I can see the situation we are in now is no different to where we would have been without a bailout in 2003.
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I do think it would have been better.

We also actually had assets then. Not only the Ricoh project, but also the option to buy back Highfield Road - an option we took, incidentally, and the cost was similar to that paid by Higgs for the Ricoh share (we instead sold it straight back to the developers for an extra £million to pay the bills).

Problem is, the family silver's been sold by everyone in the desperate hope of a lucky payday down the short-term line, and in doing so it leaves us with progressively less than nothing.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #208
Deleted member 5849 said:
I do think it would have been better.

We also actually had assets then. Not only the Ricoh project, but also the option to buy back Highfield Road - an option we took, incidentally, and the cost was similar to that paid by Higgs for the Ricoh share (we instead sold it straight back to the developers for an extra £million to pay the bills).

Problem is, the family silver's been sold by everyone in the desperate hope of a lucky payday down the short-term line, and in doing so it leaves us with progressively less than nothing.
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Good points.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #209
bigfatronssba said:
Good points.
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So then, back to the point (and for the avoidance of doubt, I am not suggesting wrongdoing by *anybody*).

Say what you will, the Ricoh has *always* been tied up with urban regeneration for CCC, they've been entirely consistent in that. Indeed, to persuade the likes of Nellist to vote for the project, they had to make that even more explicit. The club, meanwhile, peddled the rhetoric that either the council backed this project, or the club died...

It's worth asking the question though, surely, why in effect a charity connected to a CCFC director in effect gave the club what was supposed to be a short term loan to provide some working capital. Even more surprising when not only loss-making football club struggles to meet their objectives as a charity if we decide they're all for the little children, and not propping up failing commercial enterprises... and the involvement with club/ACL has to be shoehorned a little to fit said objectives. It can be, but you'd raise an eyebrow, wouldn't you.

The option was always there of *not* providing said working capital, after all (would they have got involved with a different board?), and letting the directors at the time either find the cash needed themselves... or admit defeat, write off what owed, and see club (and half the stadium management company, at least) be on offer as one package.

As I said, not suggesting wrongdoing, but there are always, *always* many ways to see the same narrative. When it comes to Higgs however, it's always pure white knights, with noi challenge whatsoever.

it could be argued that in all this, only the council have been consistent, in fact, in seeing the football club as a sideline, and viewing the bigger project of urban regeneration as *their* main motivation.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Dec 1, 2014
  • #210
17,000 egg chasers does not a --------- make (fill in your own caption). It's only the curiosity factor - give it a match or two and it'll be lower than our crowds - unless we do our (all too frequent) post Christmas kamikaze slump !! :guitar2:
 
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