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Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #246
skybluetony176 said:
Exactly, individual errors. Can Grendull even tell us what individual errors JC has made.

The other thing Grendull fails to explain is why we weren't better before JC either came on or went off, he's only just played his first 90 minutes after all. Plus presumably we won all the games JC missed altogether.
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So I am not allowed to say he has not been effective without providing evidence and yet one certain poster on here ritually abuses Jacob Murphy and not once you challenge him?

He accuses him of being lazy (inference his colour) and also remarks on his sexuality.

Yet not once is he questioned by you -- then again given your beliefs - I am not surprised.
 

usskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #247
Grendel said:
So I am not allowed to say he has not been effective without providing evidence and yet one certain poster on here ritually abuses Jacob Murphy and not once you challenge him?

He accuses him of being lazy (inference his colour) and also remarks on his sexuality.

Yet not once is he questioned by you -- then again given your beliefs - I am not surprised.
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SBT Grendel tactic #4

*Deflection
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #248
skybluetony176 said:
Still dodging the question.

I've given my opinions on why our form dipped and why it coincided with our defensive woes. If you don't agree with me fair enough but all you've done is what you always do and tell me why I'm wrong. What you haven't done is what you never do, tell us why you're right.

I suppose if all you ever do is tell everyone else they're wrong you'll never be wrong yourself.
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It didn't decline - when Johnson was injured we went on a long unbeaten run before Turner even arrived,

You cannot even get basic stats right so when your opinion based on false stats are wrong there is no question to dodge.

You were just wrong
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #249
usskyblue said:
SBT Grendel tactic #4

*Deflection
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I am not being patronizing here but have you seen the club pre his arrival and post?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #250
Grendel said:
So I am not allowed to say he has not been effective without providing evidence and yet one certain poster on here ritually abuses Jacob Murphy and not once you challenge him?

He accuses him of being lazy (inference his colour) and also remarks on his sexuality.

Yet not once is he questioned by you -- then again given your beliefs - I am not surprised.
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Deflection! Again!

This is getting like the Paxman did you threaten to over rule him interview now.

Are you going to answer the question many posters are now asking you over JC or not? I suspect the latter.
 

usskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #251
Grendel said:
It didn't decline - when Johnson was injured we went on a long unbeaten run before Turner even arrived,

You cannot even get basic stats right so when your opinion based on false stats are wrong there is no question to dodge.

You were just wrong
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#8

Misdirection

(Question allegedly dodged referred to Cole)
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #252
Grendel said:
A typically constructive post from you.

My point about Cole is as stated by the more learned observer on the forum.

We have had to change styles, had to change the team around when he couldn't play two games in a row and also his arrival co-incided with indifferent form. It's also hard to claim he has had many games where he has shone and created a massive impact.

When he arrived I believed it would be a similar effect to when Wise arrived (a player no one wanted - including me) - instant impact and a massive influence on results.

There was a lot of euphoria and as of yet that hasn't been paid back.

That's not anti-Cole, or Cole is shit or the usual made up bollocks accusations but an observation based on results, performance and strategy before and after.
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usskyblue said:
#8

Misdirection

(Question allegedly dodged referred to Cole)
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Except I have answered the question and many other posters' matchday ratings support my assessment.................
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #253
Otis said:
Can't we just put them in a padded room with wet kippers and let them beat each other to death?

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Won't work.

He'll only try and sell me a red herring.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #254
Grendel said:
Except I have answered the question and many other posters' matchday ratings support my assessment.................
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Even Michael Howard would be embarrassed for you now for not answering a question.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #255
And of course, opinion has always been divided - yet oddly it is only me;

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/62146-Joe-Cole/page3?highlight=cole
 
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PTA

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #256
Grendel said:
And of course, opinion has always been divided - yet oddly it is only me;

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/62146-Joe-Cole/page3?highlight=cole
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Yes, but they give reasons.
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #257
skybluetony176 said:
Even Michael Howard would be embarrassed for you now for not answering a question.
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I would imagine he is one of your heroes Tony
 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #258
Grendel said:
And of course, opinion has always been divided - yet oddly it is only me;

http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/62146-Joe-Cole/page3?highlight=cole
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That's the equivalent of pointing and going look over there, a split second before running in the opposite direction.
 

usskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #259
Grendel said:
I am not being patronizing here but have you seen the club pre his arrival and post?
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Without being ironic, I would indicate that your question is ' irrelevant' on two grounds;

I haven't offered an opinion on the subjects in question. And, despite your obvious frequent attendance, you're still woefully short of any definitive opinions of your own.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #260
Grendel said:
I would imagine he is one of your heroes Tony
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Deflection!

Do you really think no one notices you do this?
 

Grendel

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #261
PTA said:
Yes, but they give reasons.
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Cole
Lets be honest he is just not the player he was, and may be he should retire this season. He is not going to be another Dennis Wise. Harsh but true.
I said from the beginning that I couldn't understand TM taking on Joe Cole. He just doesn't gel in my opinion. Never rated him before, when he was a "high profile" player.He seems to want too much time on the ball at the moment, the kit lady must be having a terrible time getting the black marks off the kit ,where the rest of the team are carrying cole..
He has to be sent back, realistically. Seems pointless even having him if he's so far gone, in fitness terms, that he can't perform at this level.
If he was a dedicated professional, would he not have kept himself fit? Why does someone else have to make him fit?
If he's costing anything at all, send him back. Costs a more effective loanee in the squad and there's other positions we need to spend wages.
imply not good enough anymore for me. Yes set pieces he's good at, but doesn't offer enough for me so slow to release the ball and gets it took off him easy.
Shocked that Murphy was left out the squad a game he could have made a massive difference to Saturday I think


So these are valid?


 

skybluetony176

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #262
PTA said:
Yes, but they give reasons.
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If you read the opening post on the thread it's also a thread about his lack of fitness (something I don't think anyone has denied) not how the team is all of a sudden shit and it's all JC's fault.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #263
skybluetony176 said:
Deflection!

Do you really think no one notices you do this?
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I am not deflecting anything - I think you are a bit disturbed and obsessed with me and I am actually starting to get concerned.
 

idm1975

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #264
Grendel said:
I am not deflecting anything - I think you are a bit disturbed and obsessed with me and I am actually starting to get concerned.
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So now you start with insults. What an intellect you are!
 
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PTA

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #265
Grendel said:
I am not deflecting anything - I think you are a bit disturbed and obsessed with me and I am actually starting to get concerned.
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That goes both ways and even that was a deflection!!!
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #266
Grendel said:
I am not deflecting anything - I think you are a bit disturbed and obsessed with me and I am actually starting to get concerned.
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Deflection!
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #267
usskyblue said:
Without being ironic, I would indicate that your question is ' irrelevant' on two grounds;

I haven't offered an opinion on the subjects in question. And, despite your obvious frequent attendance, you're still woefully short of any definitive opinions of your own.
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So you disagree with Tony and Obtuse and agree I have not called Cole shit as I have no opinion of him. It's funny really because I have very clear opinions;

One which I stated Mowbray should be bulleted if we fail to get in the top 6 is what really has got them in a lather. How is that not an opinion? Cole I believe has been detrimental to date at the club. How is that not an opinion?
 

The Reverend Skyblue

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #268
Never expected another round tonight, time for a wee dram and kick back and enjoy
 

idm1975

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #269
Grendel said:
So you disagree with Tony and Obtuse and agree I have not called Cole shit as I have no opinion of him. It's funny really because I have very clear opinions;

One which I stated Mowbray should be bulleted if we fail to get in the top 6 is what really has got them in a lather. How is that not an opinion? Cole I believe has been detrimental to date at the club. How is that not an opinion?
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Had you forgotten you actually had an opinion?
 

The Reverend Skyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #270
I'm not joining at all Grendel, but didn't you think Cole was class Saturday, I did.
i agree though he's had a shaky start, especially why he was so unfit when he should have been near match fit whilst at Villa.
i hope saturday will be a turning point for him, he never stopped encouraging the lads Saturday and if he wasted one ball I missed it.

as I said I'm not entering this ding dong , just my opinion that he could be really useful for the rest of the season if he plays like that regularly.

Now back to Tony or yourself
 

usskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #271
Grendel said:
Cole
Lets be honest he is just not the player he was, and may be he should retire this season. He is not going to be another Dennis Wise. Harsh but true.
I said from the beginning that I couldn't understand TM taking on Joe Cole. He just doesn't gel in my opinion. Never rated him before, when he was a "high profile" player.He seems to want too much time on the ball at the moment, the kit lady must be having a terrible time getting the black marks off the kit ,where the rest of the team are carrying cole..
He has to be sent back, realistically. Seems pointless even having him if he's so far gone, in fitness terms, that he can't perform at this level.
If he was a dedicated professional, would he not have kept himself fit? Why does someone else have to make him fit?
If he's costing anything at all, send him back. Costs a more effective loanee in the squad and there's other positions we need to spend wages.
imply not good enough anymore for me. Yes set pieces he's good at, but doesn't offer enough for me so slow to release the ball and gets it took off him easy.
Shocked that Murphy was left out the squad a game he could have made a massive difference to Saturday I think


So these are valid?


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Valid, but perhaps a little premature.

Dennis Wise was match fit when we signed him. Cole was always going to be a project having been left out in the cold for so long. It was a risk, but obviously one that TM thought was worth taking. Sure, a judgement can be made prior to full fitness, as long as you afford him one now he's fit. It appears that Saturday was a favorable game for him. Let's see how he does from here.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #272
Grendel said:
We were unbeaten in the league without Johnson and before Turner, your petulance is boring. I am not saying any of it is his fault I am not just dewy eyed about his presence here and until last weekend found the whole thing underwhelming. He was 33 when he signed - Wise was far older and had far more impact. Perhaps you didn't make it to your usual 6 games a year at the latter end of that season to witness it.
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When Wise joined us he was match fit. When Cole joined us he had been out injured for quitea long time. Yet you compare the two.

And now you are trying to say that all of our defensive injuries have not hampered us. You must be able to see that you are chatting shite.
 

usskyblue

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #273
Astute said:
When Wise joined us he was match fit. When Cole joined us he had been out injured for quitea long time.
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Get your own material m8
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #274
Grendel said:
Except I have answered the question and many other posters' matchday ratings support my assessment.................
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Is that including you saying Cole had only had one decent game for us and getting corrected by a fair few people?
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #275
Grendel said:
So you disagree with Tony and Obtuse and agree I have not called Cole shit as I have no opinion of him. It's funny really because I have very clear opinions;

One which I stated Mowbray should be bulleted if we fail to get in the top 6 is what really has got them in a lather. How is that not an opinion? Cole I believe has been detrimental to date at the club. How is that not an opinion?
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No opinion of Cole? How much shite would you come out with about him if you did have an opinion?

At the start of the season you would have counted a top half finish as a success. Now you say that anything out of the top 6 would be a failure. And you have also said that anything but promotion would be a failure. Another shite opinion.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #276
Astute said:
No opinion of Cole? How much shite would you come out with about him if you did have an opinion?

At the start of the season you would have counted a top half finish as a success. Now you say that anything out of the top 6 would be a failure. And you have also said that anything but promotion would be a failure. Another shite opinion.
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I never commented where we would finish

Why make things up - surely that means that you've lost the argument?
 
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Huckerby

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #277
Grendel said:
So I am not allowed to say he has not been effective without providing evidence and yet one certain poster on here ritually abuses Jacob Murphy and not once you challenge him?

He accuses him of being lazy (inference his colour) and also remarks on his sexuality.

Yet not once is he questioned by you -- then again given your beliefs - I am not surprised.
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Never understood why people connect laziness with anything to do with colour? Where has anyone said anything about the colour of the lad?

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
 
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dongonzalos

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #278
Grendel said:
So you disagree with Tony and Obtuse and agree I have not called Cole shit as I have no opinion of him. It's funny really because I have very clear opinions;

One which I stated Mowbray should be bulleted if we fail to get in the top 6 is what really has got them in a lather. How is that not an opinion? Cole I believe has been detrimental to date at the club. How is that not an opinion?
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Do you know what our average home attendance is this season?
 
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dongonzalos

Well-Known Member
  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #279
Huckerby said:
Never understood why people connect laziness with anything to do with colour? Where has anyone said anything about the colour of the lad?

Sent from my SM-G920F using Tapatalk
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Sickboy was accusing someone of been racist and homophobic earlier.
However this is Grendel now so.
Probably not relevent, sorry
 

Brylowes

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  • Feb 15, 2016
  • #280
skybluetony176 said:
Even Michael Howard would be embarrassed for you now for not answering a question.
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Always thought G had 'something of the night ' about him
 
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