lordsummerisle
Well-Known Member
We spent far too long holding onto a fucking awful manager in Coleman.
A freak of nature ... good on them
Oh ... They also knew how to hold onto there good managers. Which costs money.
I could give reasons why and so could others but fundamentally it's not important. However i have it on good authority that sisu are not trusted so no deal is possible.I just do not buy this SISU are abhorrent bit! they are an owner and fund the club!
this "abhorrence" is pure hysteria whipped up by balloon tying stakeholders that should know better!
Why should SISU not get support just as much as a "NEW" owner?
imp:
It may be that ACL will only talk to the lease holder which at the moment is Mr Appleton and LTD which I could understand. I agree however that the first thing that needs to happen is for people to provide evidence - on both sides - to back all these claims up. It will be very interesting to see who has what and who signed what. I can't wait to see the evidence Tim has that shows they did a deal with the council, that should be very interesting.I agree wth the sentiment of a new ground too. However, leaving Coventry in the meantime is a mistake. They need to negotiate with ACL to play at the Ricoh in the interim. I want to hear what CCC and PWKH have to say about it all too. Fisher said they have documents sent to CCFC stating that ACL will never broker a deal. If this is true then it changes the whole complexion of things.
I could give reasons why and so could others but fundamentally it's not important. However i have it on good authority that sisu are not trusted so no deal is possible.
The rights or wrongs of this are just not up for debate.
2 choices once out of admin though are that those 3 deal with the new owners or I and many others will be very cross
If Sisu maintain control I and many others will be very cross if there is no deal on using the Ricoh for 3 years while the new stadium is built.
Again I see no logical or rational argument for Sisu to continue as owners and this is why I think the ground share and new stadium arguments are bollox
But if revenue is so important why didn't SISU/CCFC continue with the purchase of the Charity share? That would have given them a seat at the table and they could have had more say. Why didn't they contact Compass, when ACL offered? Why are they hobbling us for at least the next three seasons under FFP?I do too - I think SISU have messed up in lot of ways, but with the introduction of FFP rules it makes the revenues stream for the club vital for survival never mind success, ACL have sold those rights to compass and it is clear that the club needs this income. I agree to the point that if SISU are the only show in town we should ALL maybe give them support it might just work out for us in the long run, I don't want to go to Walsall if it were to be Blues it would be easier for a lot of us and nearer for most, I am getting tired of all this now and just want to move on maybe this is the way forward for us. The message was clear that the club is NOT for sale so what choice do we than to back CCFC (Not SISU) If they club gets a offer from PH4 or The Chinese then so be it until then I have decided that I am going back to supporting my Club, I am at the forum tonight and will if I get the opportunity say this - I hope the rest of our support bite the bullet on this and continue to support OUR Club.
So if SISU do continue as owners like TF is suggesting what do you expect to happen in regards to fulfilling our fixtures?
Totally agree - I really can't believe how some are totally suckered in by Tim 'We have no debt' Fisher and his management waffle - he was squirming like David Brent at times the snake! Forget the revenue streams they are all being paid to SISU via management fees.
The accounts are a mess, but Fisher signed them off!The Golden Share discussion was a total deflection !! THEY (SISU) are holding up the administration process!
Head hurts trying to work it out and there are far more wise posters on here than I
I think new owners will buy Ccfc ltd and negotiate a price with Sisu for holdings over the next few months
Going on from your assumption that Sisu win the bid to pay off their own group debts then I can't see any other scenario than liquidation.
Ground share won't happen, new ground won't happen.
Those are the only 2 logical and rational ends to this current mess!
Like I say Sisu are no better or worse than many of our previous owners going back decades the big difference being they are not coventry people and to many they makes it easier to be harder on them
I just do not buy this SISU are abhorrent bit! they are an owner and fund the club!
this "abhorrence" is pure hysteria whipped up by balloon tying stakeholders that should know better!
Why should SISU not get support just as much as a "NEW" owner?
imp:
Suckered - go back and read my original post. better still give me a solution to the club (SISU) not selling to anyone, ACL/CCC not allowing us to play at The Ricoh, what do we do? I am only repeating what I have heard last night as SISU are the only ones willing to speak it hard to formulate an opinion otherwise because everything is just conjecture...SO?
ACL lawyer said:“So that there can be no doubt whatsoever among Sky Blues fans, ACL would be delighted for Coventry City Football Club to play at the Ricoh Arena next season. Nobody connected to the football club has yet approached ACL in this regard."
You sure? Martinez poached by wigan, Sousa poached by Leicester, Rodgers poached by Liverpool?
I knew you come out with that response ... I am talking about how they held on to there good managers in League 1 and championship before they took them to the Prem. It's always evitable that the wealthier premier league clubs will poach your managers one's you hit the Prem or sometime when you relegate from the prem. This is happening to us in while we in League1! Leaague!!
How bad can it get when our owners can't hold onto managers in the league we are in. Was this not the case with Robins, the only guy that could have got us promoted. , also they couldn't hold on to Goldy for a bit longer too .
Is that progress in motion? Think not.
They lost Rodgers after they got to the Prem, the others beforehand.
However Swansea weren't lucky enough to have a "football man" at the helm like we did with Ranson.
For City to stand any chance of returning to the Premiership it has to be in a multi-income stream 25K capacity or larger complex.
This is not compatible with the plan TF spouted last night.
If you follow him you are voting for Division 3 football, year in & year out.
He also made great play of FFP rules, these rules only apply to D3 & 4, they don't apply in the same way in the Championship, to obtain promotion from that level it is necessary to put some money in as the FFP rules allow a degree of losses to be sustained & they'll always be someone prepared to put money in to a Championship club for a tilt at the Premier league.
However Swansea weren't lucky enough to have a "football man" at the helm like we did with Ranson.[/QUOTE said:Good one
when have ACL said that we can't play at the Ricoh? Last statement I saw said that the doors are open
http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/coventry-city-fc/coventry-city-fc-news/2013/05/03/92746-33279936/
Well what I suspect Tim may be referring to is that ACL have said that they will only deal with the administrator in regards to the lease not him. The Administrator is looking after Ltd who hold the lease so Tim would need to talk to the Administrator about the lease I guess, not ACL.Ok - so you take there word against TF's? well the only way to find out is to get a public forum so we can see who done what...they both cant be right?
But if revenue is so important why didn't SISU/CCFC continue with the purchase of the Charity share? That would have given them a seat at the table and they could have had more say. Why didn't they contact Compass, when ACL offered? Why are they hobbling us for at least the next three seasons under FFP?
I could give reasons why and so could others but fundamentally it's not important. However i have it on good authority that sisu are not trusted so no deal is possible.
The rights or wrongs of this are just not up for debate.
2 choices once out of admin though are that those 3 deal with the new owners or I and many others will be very cross
If Sisu maintain control I and many others will be very cross if there is no deal on using the Ricoh for 3 years while the new stadium is built.
Again I see no logical or rational argument for Sisu to continue as owners and this is why I think the ground share and new stadium arguments are bollox
No you couldn't! We have analysed discontent with SISU on another thread, and most of the reasons don't stand up!..
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threads/31495-why-we-are-so-dissatisfied-with-SISU-and-could-we-expect-any-better-off-new-owners
Unless you want to try again...
imp:
Well what I suspect Tim may be referring to is that ACL have said that they will only deal with the administrator in regards to the lease not him. The Administrator is looking after Ltd who hold the lease so Tim would need to talk to the Administrator about the lease I guess, not ACL.
You will also notice grego I am not saying that's ok it's just that these are the facts. You want to let a house with me but last time you left me to pay all the debts. Quid pro quo I will not let with you again.
You may have your reasons I may have mine. Irrelevant I will not work with you again unless it suits me or I can not afford to go forward on my own. Again senior Councillor has said to my face that there are othe interested parties so why should they work with Sisu??
They lost Rodgers after they got to the Prem, the others beforehand.
However Swansea weren't lucky enough to have a "football man" at the helm like we did with Ranson.
No you couldn't! We have analysed discontent with SISU on another thread, and most of the reasons don't stand up!..
http://www.skybluestalk.co.uk/threa...and-could-we-expect-any-better-off-new-owners
Unless you want to try again...
imp:
The main reason though is that ACL and the council seemingly do not trust Sisu. If there were owners they felt they could work with we wouldn't be where we are today.
There is a total distrust at the moment and as the council need to represent the people of Coventry they have to ensure the Ricoh is in safe hands.
I'm sure if it were to be sold in it's entirety and became a totally independent business, then they wouldn't give two hoots, but as it is owned by the council in part then they have to protect their interest.
Trust is a major part of all this and both the council and ACL have said they don't like the way Sisu operate as a business or they way they deal with people.
Not all Sisu's fault by a long chalk but now the testosterone has kicked in it's all become a bit of 'my bollocks are bigger than your bollocks' nonsense.
As someone said on the forum last night, a few heads need banging together.
I agree, but i do have a problem with ACL dictating who can or cant own the club.
Not all Sisu's fault by a long chalk but now the testosterone has kicked in it's all become a bit of 'my bollocks are bigger than your bollocks' nonsense.
As someone said on the forum last night, a few heads need banging together.
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