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Grendel · Thursday at 4:04 PM

Once again the Prime Minister displays appalling judgement and Hypocrisy.

The man who said he’d remove cronyism and restore integrity in politics appoints one of the most corrupt people to a key job as US Ambassador.

Mandleson has been the epitome of corruption and sleaze for years operating for his Labour bosses. Dodgy mortgage loans, dodgy passport applications, associations with very dodgy oligarchs and blatant support of his peado chum Mr Epstein.

I’m not sure how Starmer can survive. Yesterday he was still backing him and claiming to know nothing about the relationship with Epstein - rather odd as he stayed at the convicted sex abusers Manhattan home during the perverts first stint inside. Campaigned for the grave injustice against “such a wonderful man”.

If this was a Tory PM everyone would be all over this.

Starmer wanted the old sleazeball to cosy up with Trump and didn’t care one iota about the victims of Epstein.

Show dignity for once Starmer and resign.

PVA · Thursday at 4:16 PM

Incredible hypocrisy as always.

Grendel · Thursday at 4:18 PM

PVA said:
Incredible hypocrisy as always.

Well I assume you are if you defend Starmer over this?

Are you defending him?

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 4:19 PM

Hang on just a minute. You now care about the victims of Epstein because of Peter Mandelson’s involvement, having previously said ‘who gives a shit’ when Trump was far, far more involved?

By your standards this is impressive.

PVA · Thursday at 4:20 PM

Grendel said:
Well I assume you are if you defend Starmer over this?

Are you defending him?

This you?

Grendel said:
Who actually cares about these files?

Grendel · Thursday at 4:22 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Hang on just a minute. You now care about the victims of Epstein because of Peter Mandelson’s involvement, having previously said ‘who gives a shit’ when Trump was far, far more involved?

By your standards this is impressive.

Donald Trump is the US president. I said who cares as I don’t as he’s not leading this country

Grendel · Thursday at 4:23 PM

PVA said:
This you?

Yes so if you do care you will be demanding answers from Starmer? You most be raging and disgusted aren’t you?

Grendel · Thursday at 4:25 PM

Interesting

Starmer’s officials blocked release of secret Mandelson memo telling Blair to meet Epstein

Sir Tony assured that a meeting forging business links with the financier would be useful and ‘safe’

www.telegraph.co.uk

PVA · Thursday at 4:26 PM

Grendel said:
Donald Trump is the US president. I said who cares as I don’t as he’s not leading this country

Hahaha this is gold.

File this one alongside 'no one cares about parties' and 'Masterchef makes 2 billion quid a year'

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 4:27 PM

Grendel said:
Donald Trump is the US president. I said who cares as I don’t as he’s not leading this country

I believe you said ‘who cares about the files?’. The answer appears to be you-when it’s convenient.

Grendel · Thursday at 4:27 PM

PVA said:
Hahaha this is gold.

File this one alongside 'no one cares about parties' and 'Masterchef makes 2 billion quid a year'

Er - do you care? Or does your faux outrage only exist when those mired in sleaze are of a political persuasion you prefer - so you look the other way?

Grendel · Thursday at 4:28 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I believe you said ‘who cares about the files?’. The answer appears to be you-when it’s convenient.

do you care about them? I have said this prime minister wants to remove cronyism and sleaze?

How is that going?

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 4:31 PM

Grendel said:
do you care about them? I have said this prime minister wants to remove cronyism and sleaze?

How is that going?

I care about the victims

I think the PM is doing a poor job all round

If Mandelson has cosied up to Epstein he shouldn’t have been given a role

Simple

Grendel · Thursday at 4:32 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
I care about the victims

I think the PM is doing a poor job all round

If Mandelson has cosied up to Epstein he shouldn’t have been given a role

Simple

Well I think everyone knew he did. Starmer blocked the publication of the 2002 e mails.

PVA · Thursday at 4:34 PM

Grendel said:
Er - do you care? Or does your faux outrage only exist when those mired in sleaze are of a political persuasion you prefer - so you look the other way?

Appointing Mandelson was a fucking stupid decision but somehow I don't think it quite compares to being an actual paedophile like Trump.

Let's be honest you forgot you made that 'who cares' post when you started this thread and it's made you look a right fucking tool. And it's very funny.

Grendel · Thursday at 4:37 PM

PVA said:
Appointing Mandelson was a fucking stupid decision but somehow I don't think it quite compares to being an actual paedophile like Trump.

Let's be honest you forgot you made that 'who cares' post when you started this thread and it's made you look a right fucking tool. And it's very funny.

What’s funny is you trying to take moral high ground and frantically trying to avoid your uncomfortable truth.

It doesn’t matter if I care. Surely what’s relevant is do you care?

Boris Johnson - you’d be over it like a rash

Starmer - let’s just avoid and deflect

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 4:38 PM

Grendel said:
Well I think everyone knew he did. Starmer blocked the publication of the 2002 e mails.

Add it to the list of mistakes Starmer has made and move on.

Great that you care about the victims now though.

Grendel · Thursday at 4:40 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Add it to the list of mistakes Starmer has made and move on.

Great that you care about the victims now though.

It’s nothing to do with victims for PVA though is it? It’s just let’s judge if it’s the wrong political side and just look away when it’s a bit tricky

It’s a question of judgement which is shocking and lack of judgement is far more concerning in politics than pure morals

Sick Boy · Thursday at 4:41 PM

Wait, I thought these files didn’t actually exist and it was all fake news?

PVA · Thursday at 4:41 PM

Grendel said:
What’s funny is you trying to take moral high ground and frantically trying to avoid your uncomfortable truth.

It doesn’t matter if I care. Surely what’s relevant is do you care?

Boris Johnson - you’d be over it like a rash

Starmer - let’s just avoid and deflect

If you think appointing Mandelson is as bad as having sex with underage girls that says a lot more about your morals than mine.

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 4:46 PM

Grendel said:
It’s nothing to do with victims for PVA though is it? It’s just let’s judge if it’s the wrong political side and just look away when it’s a bit tricky

It’s a question of judgement which is shocking and lack of judgement is far more concerning in politics than pure morals

You’re preaching to the converted on Starmer’s poor judgment, I think he’s gifting the odious Farage the keys to No 10 by being so useless.

As for PVA, he clearly isn’t going to apologise for Epstein associates. Mandelson is nowhere near the biggest of course. A senior member of the royal family getting a £10 million plus bailout for crimes he never committed however…

Grendel · Thursday at 4:59 PM

PVA said:
If you think appointing Mandelson is as bad as having sex with underage girls that says a lot more about your morals than mine.

I don’t and I really wouldn’t go there if I were you.

Grendel · Thursday at 5:02 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You’re preaching to the converted on Starmer’s poor judgment, I think he’s gifting the odious Farage the keys to No 10 by being so useless.

As for PVA, he clearly isn’t going to apologise for Epstein associates. Mandelson is nowhere near the biggest of course. A senior member of the royal family getting a £10 million plus bailout for crimes he never committed however…

Mandleson is corrupt and has red flags everywhere. Everyone knew about the association when appointed.

What next? Garry Glitter sings Do You Want To Be in My Gang at the Labour conference?

“oh I had no idea”

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 5:06 PM

Grendel said:
Mandleson is corrupt and has red flags everywhere. Everyone knew about the association when appointed.

What next? Garry Glitter sings Do You Want To Be in My Gang at the Labour conference?

“oh I had no idea”

Again, you don’t need to persuade anyone that Starmer shouldn’t have done it and that he’s doing a bad job.

Grendel · Thursday at 5:07 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Again, you don’t need to persuade anyone that Starmer shouldn’t have done it and that he’s doing a bad job.

Anyone? Someone thinks he’s doing a great job on here and a couple of others seem to think similar.

PVA · Thursday at 5:12 PM

Grendel said:
Anyone? Someone thinks he’s doing a great job on here and a couple of others seem to think similar.

Point out where I've defended the decision to appoint Mandelson?

There's only one person deflecting or looking the other way based on political persuasion, and it ain't me.

Grendel · Thursday at 5:14 PM

PVA said:
Point out where I've defended the decision to appoint Mandelson?

There's only one person deflecting or looking the other way based on political persuasion, and it ain't me.

So you think Starmer should resign?

Can you show me where you said anything about the appointment?

PVA · Thursday at 5:25 PM

Bore off you odious prick.

You said 'who cares' about it and now all of a sudden you do and you're trying to use sex trafficking to point score. Pretty disgusting.

Grendel · Thursday at 5:35 PM

PVA said:
Bore off you odious prick.

You said 'who cares' about it and now all of a sudden you do and you're trying to use sex trafficking to point score. Pretty disgusting.

oh dear

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 5:50 PM

Grendel said:
Anyone? Someone thinks he’s doing a great job on here and a couple of others seem to think similar.

Aside from our friend from Bedworth I don't know who else does at this point, genuinely

Evo1883 · Thursday at 5:54 PM

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Again, you don’t need to persuade anyone that Starmer shouldn’t have done it and that he’s doing a bad job.

Starmer is a wanker and his government have done what id imagine to be pretty irreparable damage to labour in the country

Brighton Sky Blue · Thursday at 5:56 PM

Evo1883 said:
Starmer is a wanker and his government have done what id imagine to be pretty irreparable damage to labour in the country

No argument there my friend

SomersetSB · Thursday at 6:11 PM

What is it with these privileged politicians”do as I say not as I do”.
Mandelson has had his nose in the trough as few times though.
Jobs for the boys!!

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Thursday at 7:25 PM

Grendel said:
Er - do you care? Or does your faux outrage only exist when those mired in sleaze are of a political persuasion you prefer - so you look the other way?

Do you really have that little self-awareness?

You are literally showing faux outrage over something you said "no-one cares about" when it was of someone aligned to your political thinking.

So if you think Starmer should resign due to association, because he employed someone as an ambassador who was friends with Epstein, you must be absolutely adamant that Trump should go given as he was an actual friend of Epstein?

PVA · Thursday at 7:36 PM

Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Do you really have that little self-awareness?

You are literally showing faux outrage over something you said "no-one cares about" when it was of someone aligned to your political thinking.

So if you think Starmer should resign due to association, because he employed someone as an ambassador who was friends with Epstein, you must be absolutely adamant that Trump should go given as he was an actual friend of Epstein?

It's incredible. As I said earlier I'd imagine he forgot he made the 'who cares' comment when he giddily jumped on his high horse to make this thread.

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