At some point the players have to take responsibility, it can't always be tactics employed by the manager.
The players don't have to take responsibility. That sucks, I know all of us feel that we would give maximum effort for a game and club we love in return for massive rewards. But there are just too many of them...if you want to improve an army, you change the leadership, you don't wait for the soldiers to have a personal reinvention.
Agreed about the player, it was a silly penalty.
How did Bury get a draw today? Great changes by their manager which meant they were piling pressure on us and if they could shoot on target would have beaten us.
Can anybody explain why he made that double substitution after they scored their 2nd? All it did was take away any threat we had during the game.
I don't think anybody does say it is ALL Thorn's fault.
At the risk of sounding like Alan Hansen...The defensive line in the second half was shocking...on numerous occasions the centre half's were at six's and sevens with the full backs and vice versa... more like zigzag than a line....the second goal being a case in point.... again down our right hand side... I think we all agree Reece Brown looks very uncomfortable at right back... maybe Wood should play there... so back to your question...is this Andy Thorns fault... yep in my book it is... all teams get injuries... Brown was woeful on Tuesday and yet he puts him at right back again...why?
That's just not true, at some point the players do have to take responsibility.
What was he at fault for? Writing the names 'Cody McDonald' and 'Carl Baker' on a bit of paper and handing it to the fourth official.
I don't know how you qualify that. Leadership positions are in every industry for a reason - to hold an individual accountable for the production of the unit.
Yeah because at 2-2, this was definitely the turning point...
First of all, he is not manager of a sales team trying to meet a target
and secondly that first half performance was not far from perfect today. HOW is Thorn meant to account for that second half performance, individual player errors, Wood stupidly and unnecessarily gifting them a penalty, and then Brown being horrendously out of position for the second. PLEASE tell me why the players are not accountable for this!?
Not of a sales team, but certainly a leader with targets.
If this was a new manager in charge of their first game, you could write it off. But this is Andy Thorn's Coventry City team, and we have seen this same guff for a year now. Show me the trajectory. Show me how we're improving. Show me how Thorn is becoming any better at the management game. Show me how he's refined the team to eliminate predictable mistakes.
You might wish for Thorn to stay, and that's fine. But it is a nonsense to suggest that a line manager should not be held responsible for his underperforming unit.
Every football match is eventually decided by the 22 men on the pitch. If Thorn can't be blamed, at what point is he culpable?
He is culpable when he tells the team to sit back at 2-0 and see the game out, and then drawing the game 2-2. But this is not what happened, their goals came from our players individual errors, and I don't see how Thorn can account for Richard Wood stupidly barging someone over in the box, from what was a nothing situation.
I've not suggested at any point I think Thorn is a great manager, or even an adequate manager, so please read my argument before responding.
My point is that today I don't see what he could've done differently, and to not hold the players responsible today is ridiculous!
Nice try, but I did read your posts in full and didn't accuse you of any of those things. Please quote where I did. Perhaps you ought to follow your own advice about reading arguments before responding, eh?
So your point is that AT is tapped out and the players are underperforming. And your solution to the problem is - hold the players responsible? Exactly what does that achieve?
Of course thorn was at fault. The opposing manager saw in the first half that our full backs were getting forward at ease. He blocked that off and we had little attacking intensity second half.
We got narrower and narrower as the game went on.
This was as bad as oh gets. A poor league 1 side totally outplayed in the first half makes some tactical and personell changes in the second and we were non plussed.
We played as poorly as we did against Sheffield in the second half. No communication no plan once they scored and nothing from thorn to respond.
A dire day all round.
I am yet to see anyone blame him for this.
It wasn't Thorn's fault we threw away the 2-0 lead, but once it was 2-2 he didn't make the right changes.
What was he at fault for? Writing the names 'Cody McDonald' and 'Carl Baker' on a bit of paper and handing it to the fourth official.
It was the tactics though just as much as the personnel.
It was the system that suddenly stopped working because of the way Bury nullified us. It wasn't just about changing players it was about changing systems.
Yeah that's what I meant, sorry, bit ambiguous.
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