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How much will we spend in the summer? (7 Viewers)

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Grendel

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  • Today at 11:09 AM
  • #246
Lamps said:
So us keeping our best players and adding 80m of talent would leave us in a bad place in the Championship? Having a bit more money for further improvement? Being one of them sides you know are going straight back up.

Or do what Sheffield United and Leicester have done. Spent a lot and no money left with a big wage bill. Sell players to keep going.

Won't be long before we find out.
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Did Sheffield United spend a lot? In the PL the wage bill was one of the lowest and I would guess the lowest as a percentage of turnover
 
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covcity4life

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  • Today at 11:11 AM
  • #247
Lamps said:
So us keeping our best players and adding 80m of talent would leave us in a bad place in the Championship? Having a bit more money for further improvement? Being one of them sides you know are going straight back up.

Or do what Sheffield United and Leicester have done. Spent a lot and no money left with a big wage bill. Sell players to keep going.

Won't be long before we find out.
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And spending 100m plus on players won't leave us in a better place in relegation fight?

You have to look at the other side of coin too
 

Lamps

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  • Today at 11:12 AM
  • #248
Ccfcisparks said:
Like we knew southampton and Ipswich were going back up? Or Luton?

There is literally no guarantee we will be "one of them sides"
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I called a hard season for Southampton until they got rid of Will Still. A few of those saying I didn't have a clue are now wanting to spend a lot more money than we will receive.

Luton?

I expected Ipswich to be 1st. They will be happy in 2nd behind us.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 11:15 AM
  • #249
Lamps said:
I called a hard season for Southampton until they got rid of Will Still. A few of those saying I didn't have a clue are now wanting to spend a lot more money than we will receive.

Luton?

I expected Ipswich to be 1st. They will be happy in 2nd behind us.
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Most predicted Luton to be up challenging when they came down.

I can't see what you predicted tbh as you hadn't created this account at the start of last season
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 11:18 AM
  • #250
Ccfcisparks said:
Most predicted Luton to be up challenging when they came down.

I can't see what you predicted tbh as you hadn't created this account at the start of last season
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Yup, I was one of them. I don’t think anybody anywhere had them down to be relegated though.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 11:22 AM
  • #251
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yup, I was one of them. I don’t think anybody anywhere had them down to be relegated though.
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Oh im sure one member certainly did
 

clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:30 AM
  • #252
shmmeee said:
Both start with going down so look very similar at first. I’d rather just not go down at all.
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No one would, but spending big doesn't guarantee that you wont.
Lowest spenders of the 3 that came down was Leicester, 91 million.

There probably is an amount that guarantees staying up, but I'd imagine it, and the associated wage bill, are astronomical.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:33 AM
  • #253
Ccfcisparks said:
Oh im sure one member certainly did
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I still think, in 20 years time, Luton will look on their approach and their new ground and think they got it right despite that relegation.

Football fans are very focused on the short term, but sometimes a bit of longer term thinking is required.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Today at 11:34 AM
  • #254
clint van damme said:
I still think, in 20 years time, Luton will look on their approach and their new ground and think they got it right despite that relegation.

Football fans are very focused on the short term, but sometimes a bit of longer term thinking is required.
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How big is it
 

clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:37 AM
  • #255
Sky Blue Pete said:
How big is it
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About 23k I think with a big increase in corporate on Kenilworth Rd.

As endearing as Kenilworth Rd is, it's a shithole
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 11:37 AM
  • #256
clint van damme said:
No one would, but spending big doesn't guarantee that you wont.
Lowest spenders of the 3 that came down was Leicester, 91 million.

There probably is an amount that guarantees staying up, but I'd imagine it, and the associated wage bill, are astronomical.
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I think it allows a team like us a compromise between having a decent go at staying up without risking anything long term. Don’t think anyone’s saying you spend 100m you stay up.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:39 AM
  • #257
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I think it allows a team like us a compromise between having a decent go at staying up without risking anything long term. Don’t think anyone’s saying you spend 100m you stay up.
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How do you know it doesn't risk anything long term though?
This is what I keep saying about having a contingency in place.
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 11:42 AM
  • #258
clint van damme said:
How do you know it doesn't risk anything long term though?
This is what I keep saying about having a contingency in place.
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Because if your net spend is £100 million and you have £90 million as compensation, you sell some players on relegation and have a strong Championship squad left over.
 

Evo1883

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  • Today at 11:42 AM
  • #259
150 million
 
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covcity4life

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  • Today at 11:43 AM
  • #260
clint van damme said:
How do you know it doesn't risk anything long term though?
This is what I keep saying about having a contingency in place.
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No one knows what the figure is to avoid risk though

We finally get on the money train we need do everyhtibg we can to stay on it WITHOUT risking our future . But what that figure is I do not know. But don't think 100m will place us in massive difficulties personally. But I am no oldskyblue
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Today at 11:44 AM
  • #261
Evo1883 said:
150 million
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Don't, you'll make the doug pocket watches have a heart attack!
 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:53 AM
  • #262
covcity4life said:
No one knows what the figure is to avoid risk though

We finally get on the money train we need do everyhtibg we can to stay on it WITHOUT risking our future . But what that figure is I do not know. But don't think 100m will place us in massive difficulties personally. But I am no oldskyblue
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It will be the associated wage bill and terms of contracts that will be the potential issue rather than the outlay.
I don't think that's something King won't plan for however.
 

Lamps

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  • Today at 11:53 AM
  • #263
covcity4life said:
No one knows what the figure is to avoid risk though

We finally get on the money train we need do everyhtibg we can to stay on it WITHOUT risking our future . But what that figure is I do not know. But don't think 100m will place us in massive difficulties personally. But I am no oldskyblue
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You get approximately 100m TV rights. This is to cover new signings and a massive wage bill. If you go straight back down you get about 40m year 1 and 30m year 2 to help with the wages. This can change a bit.
 

clint van damme

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  • Today at 11:54 AM
  • #264
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Because if your net spend is £100 million and you have £90 million as compensation, you sell some players on relegation and have a strong Championship squad left over.
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There's plenty of evidence that it's not quite that simple.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 12:00 PM
  • #265
clint van damme said:
There's plenty of evidence that it's not quite that simple.
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Is there? What happened to Luton was very much the exception to the rule.
 
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StrettoBoy

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  • Today at 12:01 PM
  • #266
Gleneagles65 said:
Exactly, let’s leave King and Lampard to sort out business after promotion. Both have shed loads in the bank to make those decisions.
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Absolutely

I feel that, under Doug King and Frank Lampard, the club is in better hands than it has been since - for those old enough to remember - the days of Derek Robins and Jimmy Hill.

There is a real buzz about the place, just as there was back then.

 
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clint van damme

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  • Today at 12:15 PM
  • #267
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Is there? What happened to Luton was very much the exception to the rule.
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I'm not on about Luton, you should probably read my comments about them in post 253.

But there are plenty of others who've never managed to build on a season or 2 in the PL.

And as I've also pointed out, some of those who have managed to stay didn't need Forestesque spending to do it.
 

Evo1883

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  • Today at 12:17 PM
  • #268
Ccfcisparks said:
Don't, you'll make the doug pocket watches have a heart attack!
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I think we will spend over the odds tbh .. premier league survival trumps parachute payments
 
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sc1940

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  • Today at 12:19 PM
  • #269
I don't think the odds of staying up, or even being a yo-yo team are too bad really.
Looking at the 30 promoted teams in the last 10 years;
10 teams are still in the Premier league - Burnley, Bournemouth, Newcastle, Brighton, Wolves, Fulham, Villa, Brentford, Forest, Leeds.
Of last year's promoted teams, I haven't counted Sunderland as it's their first year in the 10 year period, but Burnley and Leeds have been relegated and re-promoted in that period.
3 teams are now in League 1, Huddersfield, Cardiff, and Luton.
Several of the other recently relegated teams look unlikely to be in the promotion hunt without an extensive rebuild, including Norwich, Leicester, and possibly West Brom and Sheff U.
Of the others who have been in the PL in the past 10 years, Watford, Middlesbro, Hull, Ipswich, Southampton are currently in or around the top 10, and look to be possible playoff contenders going forward.
If you count the teams currently still in the PL and add in the teams still in realistic contention for promotion, it's about 50%.
As said, the main danger is having bad management.
 
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