How do we get out of this mess (4 Viewers)

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 5, 2017

Hobo said:
Well we haven't got here overnight, so there is no quick fix. We need to work within our means, decide what type of football we want to play and realise it will take at least three years to build a half decent team.

Accept there will be setbacks and stop knee jerking every 5 minutes. We need to cultivate a positive attitude about the club and show some ambition, even if it is a long-term plan. Not selling at the first opportunity would help and was at least a small positive in the January window.

But that is the problem. When asked why he should renew his season ticket, Fisher told the caller on the phone in, before Christmas to wait and see what happens with the new manager in the January window. They don't have a plan. Everything is short term. If a manager came in and was allowed to develop things for three years, bring in players to develop and keep our own romising young players, I think most people would be patient and buy into that. Instead next season will probably see a new manager and ten new players and if the pattern from previous seasons is the same, the following season we will start the same process over again. Sisu have no interest in a long term plan. They need to go.

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 5, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
But that is the problem. When asked why he should renew his season ticket, Fisher told the caller on the phone in, before Christmas to wait and see what happens with the new manager in the January window. They don't have a plan. Everything is short term. If a manager came in and was allowed to develop things for three years, bring in players to develop and keep our own romising young players, I think most people would be patient and buy into that. Instead next season will probably see a new manager and ten new players and if the pattern from previous seasons is the same, the following season we will start the same process over again. Sisu have no interest in a long term plan. They need to go.

If idiot Fisher they should play it back to him and ask him to explain what happened in Jan

Irish Sky Blue · Feb 5, 2017

shmmeee said:
Agree with all of this. You won't get anything in the second paragraph without new owners though, trust has gone, people will assume the worst.

Whoever owns us next needs to come out with a complete vision for the club. 2 year, 5 year and 10 year plans. Vision for the identity of the club. Ironically it wouldn't be too different from what Sisu stated in that New Year's letter a couple of years ago: embedded in the community, focus on the academy, etc. Clarity about the level of budget we can afford and what needs to be done to make us sustainable without just shouting at fans for not turning up, etc.

We have the advantage of being a fairly big club in a one team city. Personally I'd like to see us aim to bring in backroom staff with a focus on player improvement and playing decent football. Aim to be the place where clubs want to send their kids on loan and be selective about who we bring in. Blood the kids where we can and supplement with hard working adults elsewhere on the pitch signed on frees. Spend any money on potential from leagues below us.

Basically a cut price Arsenal.

Let's hope that at that stage we still have an academy.

shmmeee · Feb 5, 2017

Irish Sky Blue said:
Let's hope that at that stage we still have an academy.

Yeah there is that.

Otis · Feb 5, 2017

Hobo said:
Well we haven't got here overnight, so there is no quick fix. We need to work within our means, decide what type of football we want to play and realise it will take at least three years to build a half decent team.

Accept there will be setbacks and stop knee jerking every 5 minutes. We need to cultivate a positive attitude about the club and show some ambition, even if it is a long-term plan. Not selling at the first opportunity would help and was at least a small positive in the January window.

We don't build teams though do we.

Our good players get sold and we constantly keep having to rely on loans, which means each season is a rebuild.

Who do we realistically want to keep for next season and who would probably stay?

Clarke, Beavon, DKE. Who else?

Willis will be gone and so too Haynes, Reid, Lameiras, Jones, Foley, Rawson, Vernam, Folivi, Rose, Tudgay, Ghadzhev, Stevenson, Reilly and one of the keepers, if not both.

Complete rebuild yet again.

Grendel · Feb 5, 2017

Otis said:
We don't build teams though do we.

Our good players get sold and we constantly keep having to rely on loans, which means each season is a rebuild.

Who do we realistically want to keep for next season and who would probably stay?

Clarke, Beavon, DKE.

Willis will be gone and so too Haynes, Reid, Lameiras, Jones, Foley, Rawson, Vernam, Folivi, Rose, Tudgay, Ghadzhev, Stevenson, Reilly,P and one of the keepers, if not both.

Complete rebuild yet again.

Can't see Reid going anywhere - or Ghadzev or Jones. Who'd want them?

Otis · Feb 5, 2017

Grendel said:
Can't see Reid going anywhere - or Ghadzev or Jones. Who'd want them?

Yeah, maybe. Someone will take Reid I think. Lives off his silky skills. Bradford fans warned us about him.

Isn't Ghadzhev just on a one year deal anyway? Think we will just let him go.

Suffolk sky blues · Feb 5, 2017

No hope.the whole club is rotten

wingy · Feb 5, 2017

Errr I don't know Stan!(or Ollie).

ecky · Feb 5, 2017

Terry Gibson's perm said:
May as well be 111.

We will be the first down in all the leagues.

What date do you think it will be confirmed? End of march?

Terry Gibson's perm · Feb 5, 2017

ecky said:
What date do you think it will be confirmed? End of march?

Said for weeks Sheffield united game which is about five to go but it could be sooner

rockdude101 · Feb 5, 2017

shmmeee said:
. Personally I'd like to see us aim to bring in backroom staff with a focus on player improvement and playing decent football. Aim to be the place where clubs want to send their kids on loan and be selective about who we bring in. Blood the kids where we can and supplement with hard working adults elsewhere on the pitch signed on frees. Spend any money on potential from leagues below us.

Basically a cut price Arsenal.

That's a fantasy scenario.

I'd take new owners and a team that's not afraid to score, at this point.

And to add to OP:

Who realistically would buy CCFC? This is a club in freefall heading for National League. I've said before I'm convinced SISU are asset-stripping CCFC and that the RICOH was the prize plum they really wanted. The determination to drag CCC & Wasps through every possible legal action merely confirms it. It may even come down to the point where United becomes the official team of the city due to CCFC continuing downward.

Hobo · Feb 5, 2017

Otis said:
We don't build teams though do we.

Our good players get sold and we constantly keep having to rely on loans, which means each season is a rebuild.

Who do we realistically want to keep for next season and who would probably stay?

Clarke, Beavon, DKE. Who else?

Willis will be gone and so too Haynes, Reid, Lameiras, Jones, Foley, Rawson, Vernam, Folivi, Rose, Tudgay, Ghadzhev, Stevenson, Reilly and one of the keepers, if not both.

Complete rebuild yet again.

Precisely and that is why we are crap and bottom, because there has been no retention, no building and too much expected of youngsters. Scouting done via YouTube. We play like amateurs because the club is run on an amateur basis.

rupert_bear · Feb 5, 2017

Fans complain about shortism players wise loanees, short contracts and players coming out of contract and those one or two looking to be off to pastures new, but the manager is the same only here at the moment until the end of the season that must affect him and his thinking, players will pick up on that too, why put your head on the block for a tin pot set-up

Generally Midfield · Feb 5, 2017

SkyblueBri said:
Back to football rather than the agro, does anyone see any way we can get out of the position we are in at bottom of the table?

People say we've got a game in hand but we've not:

20th Swindon played 29 points 29
30th Port Vale played 28 points 32
US played 29 points 21

New defence no better than old defence.
New forward line worse than old one, come back Sordell all is forgiven.

I think I'm now resigned to relegation, can someone give me some hope and tell me where I'm wrong?

The last chance for us this season was with Slade and with Posh and Bolton games it looked like things might improve but it was a 2 game blip and things are now back to what's now normal for us. By nature I'm an optimist not a pessimist but sometimes you have to just accept what's blindingly obvious and relegation for us is nailed on.

stevefloyd · Feb 5, 2017

It wouldn't be so bad if SISU/Fisher came out and told us something about their aims here instead of just seemingly milking us to death until we cease to exist and treating us like mushrooms...albeit poisonous ones at that

covboy1987 · Feb 5, 2017

probably relegated with the lowest points total for many years in that league

Gazolba · Feb 5, 2017

Just watched the Leicester vs Man Utd game. Leicester's record is like ours, they can't win a game or buy a goal, if the opposition scores, they go to pieces.
We are the same, it's a crisis of confidence, as much psychological as physical.
Of course, Leicester have much better players and a much better manager than we have, but the quality of their opposition is also so much better.
Unless Slade can somehow change the psychology of the team, I don't believe there is any hope.
We are badly lacking a leader on the pitch to urge the other players on.
But even if everything was to go right for us from now on, I think we are just too deep in trouble to extricate ourselves.

Otis · Feb 5, 2017

Gazolba said:
Just watched the Leicester vs Man Utd game. Leicester's record is like ours, they can't win a game or buy a goal, if the opposition scores, they go to pieces.
We are the same, it's a crisis of confidence, as much psychological as physical.
Of course, Leicester have much better players and a much better manager than we have, but the quality of their opposition is also so much better.
Unless Slade can somehow change the psychology of the team, I don't believe there is any hope.
We are badly lacking a leader on the pitch to urge the other players on.
But even if everything was to go right for us from now on, I think we are just too deep in trouble to extricate ourselves.

What Leicester have in abundance is energy and passion and a never say die attitude.

That can take you a long way.

Their tactics have been countered this season, but you can still see them working so hard for each other every game.

If we had a bit more if that instead of feeling sorry for ourselves we might be in a better position now.

shmmeee · Feb 5, 2017

Don't think it is feeling sorry for ourselves, think it's players seeing the writing on the wall and just not giving a fuck. They'll all be gone next year.

Otis · Feb 5, 2017

shmmeee said:
Don't think it is feeling sorry for ourselves, think it's players seeing the writing on the wall and just not giving a fuck. They'll all be gone next year.

I do think we feel sorry for ourselves, certainly when a goal goes in. Heads drop.

skybluetony176 · Feb 5, 2017

JulianDarbyFTW said:
We're down.

I lived through many of the Great Escapes, but those teams had fight and grit. This group of players doesn't. They almost exclusively have defeat ingrained in them.

My biggest worry isn't this season. It's next. I'm convinced we'll be fighting to retain Football League status this time next year.

Yeah, I'd go with that. It's a very real worry.

stevefloyd · Feb 5, 2017

As was said earlier..we need a champion on the pitch somebody to get the team going lift their heads and attitude but where can we get him from...if this rumour is true about someone coming in on trial tomorrow lets hope its someone with these attributes

Skyblueweeman · Feb 5, 2017

Otis said:
What Leicester have in abundance is energy and passion and a never say die attitude.

That can take you a long way.

Their tactics have been countered this season, but you can still see them working so hard for each other every game.

If we had a bit more if that instead of feeling sorry for ourselves we might be in a better position now.

They're massively missing Kante. Leicester dropping off this season, Chelsea at the top. Not just a coincidence...the bloke is massively underrated in my opinion.

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Otis · Feb 5, 2017

Skyblueweeman said:
They're massively missing Kante. Leicester dropping off this season, Chelsea at the top. Not just a coincidence...the bloke is massively underrated in my opinion.

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Well yes, but a mixture of things all the same.

1. They caught everyone on the hop last year. Fantastic work rate, will to win and desire. Once they started winning their confidence was sky high and that can take you a long, long way.

2. Last season Morgan and Huth were allowed to manhandle people and get away with it. This season, not.

3. Kante. Definitely missing him.

4. They were extremely quick on the break and scored so many goals last season after defending and then counter attacking.

5. This season they have been studied and countered.

thekidfromstrettoncamp · Feb 5, 2017

Did any one see a spark yesterday I did'nt

letsallsingtogether · Feb 5, 2017

Otis said:
Chesterfield have picked up 4 points out of the last 4 games.

Bury have picked up 5 points out of the last 4 games.

Oldham have picked up 6 points out of the last 4 games

Swindon have picked up 4 points out of the last 4 games

Shrewsbury have picked up 10 points out of the last 4 games.

Only Port Vale have been really failing badly.

We have picked up 0 points out of the last 4 games.

Tells you how monumental our task is. It is not just about our winning say 3 games in row, we need that in combination of those around us failing completely and it simply isn't happening.

We have games coming up against those around us and we simply have to beat every single one of those before we even start.

In tandem with that, we are 8 points adrift, so would probably need to win 4 or 5 in a row to even be close to the teams above.

I'll take a draw

stupot07 · Feb 5, 2017

I_Saw_Shaw_Score said:
Genuine question - does anyone think we will stay up?

Nope. Too far behind and lack of goals in the side means we now need a miraculous turnaround in form. Eiken was no we only need 50 points we don't need promotion form but we're now left with needing 29 points from 17 games to get to 50 points (1.71 ppg or 78.5 points over a 46 game season) that top 6/promotion form from here on in.

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COVKIDSNEVERQUIT · Feb 5, 2017

Otis said:
Well yes, but a mixture of things all the same.

1. They caught everyone on the hop last year. Fantastic work rate, will to win and desire. Once they started winning their confidence was sky high and that can take you a long, long way.

2. Last season Morgan and Huth were allowed to manhandle people and get away with it. This season, not.

3. Kante. Definitely missing him.

4. They were extremely quick on the break and scored so many goals last season after defending and then counter attacking.

5. This season they have been studied and countered.

A up Otis , you seem to know a lot about them up the m69 ( can't bring myself to say that name )
Are you a secret Leick fan . :jawdrop:

cloughie · Feb 5, 2017

SkyblueBri said:
Back to football rather than the agro, does anyone see any way we can get out of the position we are in at bottom of the table?

People say we've got a game in hand but we've not:

20th Swindon played 29 points 29
30th Port Vale played 28 points 32
US played 29 points 21

New defence no better than old defence.
New forward line worse than old one, come back Sordell all is forgiven.

I think I'm now resigned to relegation, can someone give me some hope and tell me where I'm wrong?

NO........sorry

letsallsingtogether · Feb 5, 2017

Grendel said:
Can't see Reid going anywhere - or Ghadzev or Jones. Who'd want them?

And therefore Otis is right we can keep the crap ones and change the good ones for more crap.
Hopefully turning one of them into a half decent player selling him and starting again.
This team is not good enough for the 4th division yet next season we will have to get rid of most of them and replace them with players that are worse.
Really looking forward to next season after all this season looks finished.

Adge · Feb 5, 2017

letsallsingtogether said:
And therefore Otis is right we can keep the crap ones and change the good ones for more crap.
Hopefully turning one of them into a half decent player selling him and starting again.
This team is not good enough for the 4th division yet next season we will have to get rid of most of them and replace them with players that are worse.
Really looking forward to next season after all this season looks finished.

Would you like to please explain who the good ones are? What I have been watching is a team of no hopers who have been bottom of the league for the majority of the season.

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