Homophobic chanting (1 Viewer)

mrtrench · Aug 25, 2019

I've slowed down on the old imbibing, much to my chagrin.

My wife is showing my daughter and her boyfriend Mrs. Maisel on Amazon. From episode 1 it is dynamite and supports everything my fuckwit drunken diatribes espouse (although I would say that).

Fuck off with your victimhood. And fuck off with your hate too. Can't we just find the middle ground? Where people respect each other; where the wankers that really do wish ill on others are bang to rights and people just taking the piss are free to do so? Where the extremes (from neo-Nazis to Antifa/Corbs) are rightly satirised to oblivion?

God, I miss the 1970s. We marched against real racists (NF) and hoped for a better future. But now I ask myself if it was all really a charade by the fuckwit Left. Were we all conned into opposing an evil threat only to accidentally endorse a greater threat - the Socialists?

Just be nice to each other, people. Forget the faux anguish and be nice. And fuck off you extremists Left and Right. Peace and Love. xxxx

Johhny Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Next time my sister calls me fat, I'm calling the police, it's 2019

I thought it was 999 ?

Johhny Blue · Aug 26, 2019

Sick Boy said:
Apart from Stephen Ireland, how many footballers have hid their bald head out of shame?

Ernie Hunt wore a wig in a testimonial game

Johhny Blue · Aug 26, 2019

SeaSeeEffCee said:
Ah yes, I too remember the horror stories of people being scared to come out as fat/bald/ginger in fear that they might be ostracised by their community, assaulted or potentially even killed. What a valid and in no way demeaning comparison.

People were scared to come out as ginger? Now your’e really stretching your argument

Otis · Aug 26, 2019

Johhny Blue said:
People were scared to come out as ginger? Now your’e really stretching your argument

Ben Stokes has put all that right now.

JimmyHillsbeard · Aug 26, 2019

marcusp said:
Or calling people fat bastard or slap head etc etc. Where do we draw the line ?
Perhaps we should all just stop saying anything and watch the game

If you need to draw a line why not start with a basic understanding of structural disadvantage? Very few people have excrement put through their letterboxes because they are bald, drawing attention to their baldness is a different order of insult to that experienced by minorities, women and the marginalised. You might hurt an individual’s feelings by being rude about their hairline but it doesn’t tap into an endemic and systematic level of bias against bald people as a category.

Alternatively as you hint, we might want to start to construct a positive view of our own support and team that doesn’t depend on a jaundiced view of the opponents and their fans. Let’s not hold our breath though

clint van damme · Aug 26, 2019

marcusp said:
Or calling people fat bastard or slap head etc etc. Where do we draw the line ?
Perhaps we should all just stop saying anything and watch the game

When was the last time you heard of someone being attached for being fat or being bald? People die at the hands of homophobes.

I have some sympathy with the argument that we are turning in to a permanently offended society but your point is nonsense.

jackdg · Aug 26, 2019

Even if it isn’t homophobic (it is by the way), can we not chant chants that are witless, ancient, and embarrassing!

If you’re going to chant something that supports marginalisation of minorities can it at least be original and funny?

lordsummerisle · Aug 26, 2019

jackdg said:
Even if it isn’t homophobic (it is by the way), can we not chant chants that are witless, ancient, and embarrassing!

If you’re going to chant something that supports marginalisation of minorities can it at least be original and funny?

" I' d rather be a twink than a bear, rather be a twink than a bear, rather be a twink, rather be a twink, rather be a twink than a bear" ?

shmmeee · Aug 26, 2019

mrtrench said:
I've slowed down on the old imbibing, much to my chagrin.

My wife is showing my daughter and her boyfriend Mrs. Maisel on Amazon. From episode 1 it is dynamite and supports everything my fuckwit drunken diatribes espouse (although I would say that).

Fuck off with your victimhood. And fuck off with your hate too. Can't we just find the middle ground? Where people respect each other; where the wankers that really do wish ill on others are bang to rights and people just taking the piss are free to do so? Where the extremes (from neo-Nazis to Antifa/Corbs) are rightly satirised to oblivion?

God, I miss the 1970s. We marched against real racists (NF) and hoped for a better future. But now I ask myself if it was all really a charade by the fuckwit Left. Were we all conned into opposing an evil threat only to accidentally endorse a greater threat - the Socialists?

Just be nice to each other, people. Forget the faux anguish and be nice. And fuck off you extremists Left and Right. Peace and Love. xxxx

Woah!

This thread took a turn. Corbyns a Nazi and Socialism is the real evil?

Fuuuuck me. Some people need to put down the Yank propaganda vids on YouTube.

shmmeee · Aug 26, 2019

clint van damme said:
When was the last time you heard of someone being attached for being fat or being bald? People die at the hands of homophobes.

I have some sympathy with the argument that we are turning in to a permanently offended society but your point is nonsense.

JimmyHillsbeard said:
If you need to draw a line why not start with a basic understanding of structural disadvantage? Very few people have excrement put through their letterboxes because they are bald, drawing attention to their baldness is a different order of insult to that experienced by minorities, women and the marginalised. You might hurt an individual’s feelings by being rude about their hairline but it doesn’t tap into an endemic and systematic level of bias against bald people as a category.

Alternatively as you hint, we might want to start to construct a positive view of our own support and team that doesn’t depend on a jaundiced view of the opponents and their fans. Let’s not hold our breath though

By this logic misogyny (which I see on here regularly without the PC police arriving) should be treated worst of all. More women are killed or attacked because of it daily than BAME and LGBT put together.

Yet it’s not a hate crime and it’s not policed on here.

Interesting that.

Evo1883 · Aug 26, 2019

Still think this is all way too deep for somebody being told they look gay in pink as humour at the football

Elvis Pressley · Aug 26, 2019

Im against Rasicm in any type of form and its not acceptable at football but I think this is a bit OTT and taking it abit too far...

Racism in football: Garth Crooks fears 'Cantona moment' unless action taken
Racism in football: Garth Crooks fears 'Cantona moment' unless action taken

Skybluefaz · Aug 26, 2019

Elvis Pressley said:
Im against Rasicm in any type of form and its not acceptable at football but I think this is a bit OTT and taking it abit too far...

Racism in football: Garth Crooks fears 'Cantona moment' unless action taken
Racism in football: Garth Crooks fears 'Cantona moment' unless action taken

Garth Crooks is a fucking idiot

fatso · Aug 26, 2019

jackdg said:
Even if it isn’t homophobic (it is by the way), can we not chant chants that are witless, ancient, and embarrassing!

If you’re going to chant something that supports marginalisation of minorities can it at least be original and funny?

Arrrr so it’s ok if we run it past you first, and if you think it’s funny?

jackdg · Aug 26, 2019

fatso said:
Arrrr so it’s ok if we run it past you first, and if you think it’s funny?

No, its not OK either way, I suspect you missed my point... but if you’re going to be bigoted at least say something that has taken the use of two brain cells rather than none...

fatso · Aug 26, 2019

jackdg said:
No, its not OK either way, I suspect you missed my point... but if you’re going to be bigoted at least say something that has taken the use of two brain cells rather than none...

I think your missing the point, there’s a difference between, banter, bigotry and hate crimes!

jackdg · Aug 26, 2019

fatso said:
I think your missing the point, there’s a difference between, banter, bigotry and hate crimes!

Ah of course ‘banter’... like Richard Keys yeah?

Johnnythespider · Aug 26, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Still think this is all way too deep for somebody being told they look gay in pink as humour at the football

It's because it's not humour, at the football or anywhere else. I heard it from block 33, it didn't make me want to laugh.

PCH · Aug 26, 2019

The pink shirted guy probably enjoyed the attention . I know I would.
I think a slight over reaction here.

fellatio_Martinez · Aug 26, 2019

Skybluefaz said:
Garth Crooks is a fucking idiot

Crooks is the Lenny Henry of the footballing world. The race card is never far from his reach.

Deleted member 2477 · Aug 26, 2019

Cant believe this thread is still running. Its as interesting as the Bright and Chaplin threads.
Who dares to wear a pink shirt at the next home game

Adge · Aug 26, 2019

PurpleBin said:
I find "fight, fight wherever you may be" horrifically cringe these days.

“E I E I E I O” after 2 or 3 games is aswell. Just laughable!

Sky Blue Pete · Aug 26, 2019

Adge said:
“E I E I E I O” after 2 or 3 games is aswell. Just laughable!

That’s ok banter

Sky_Blue_Dreamer · Aug 26, 2019

Sky Blue Pete said:
That’s ok banter

No it's not - it shows a clear prejudice against consonants!

ccfc1234 · Aug 26, 2019

Elvis Pressley said:
Im against Rasicm in any type of form and its not acceptable at football but I think this is a bit OTT and taking it abit too far...

Racism in football: Garth Crooks fears 'Cantona moment' unless action taken
Racism in football: Garth Crooks fears 'Cantona moment' unless action taken

The latest sh*t that has been on Twitter directed at Pogba and Rashford is brain dead and moronic. However, I can't help but think the likes of Crooks and the like fuel this big time.
It's easy to get a fake Twitter account, use a VPN and then say anything u like without fear of being caught. Then basking in the shit*y glory of making the papers for being a tw@t online to highly paid players from teams you despise. It's kids not the KKK and the commentators who are offended feed their perverted egos.

ccfc1234 · Aug 26, 2019

On the homophobic stuff. I think it's wrong to chant anything at people who were born that way. Black, homosexual, Ginger, Bald, facial disfigurement, handicapped. If genetics did something to u that you had no control over it's scummy to make people feel like sh*t for something they can't change and probably makes them feel self conscious/marginalised to differing degrees.

The next level down is things people can change such as weight, hairstyle etc.

DannyThomas_1981 · Aug 26, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
The latest sh*t that has been on Twitter directed at Pogba and Rashford is brain dead and moronic. However, I can't help but think the likes of Crooks and the like fuel this big time.
It's easy to get a fake Twitter account, use a VPN and then say anything u like without fear of being caught. Then basking in the shit*y glory of making the papers for being a tw@t online to highly paid players from teams you despise. It's kids not the KKK and the commentators who are offended feed their perverted egos.

Interesting angle. Let's somehow blame Garth Crooks and Lenny Henry for the behaviour of online racists.

Otis · Aug 26, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
On the homophobic stuff. I think it's wrong to chant anything at people who were born that way. Black, homosexual, Ginger, Bald, facial disfigurement, handicapped. If genetics did something to u that you had no control over it's scummy to make people feel like sh*t for something they can't change and probably makes them feel self conscious/marginalised to differing degrees.

The next level down is things people can change such as weight, hairstyle etc.

You can't change your hairstyle if you are bald.

fatso · Aug 26, 2019

Otis said:
You can't change your hairstyle if you are bald.

Or if you've got no arms!

ccfc1234 · Aug 26, 2019

DannyThomas_1981 said:
Interesting angle. Let's somehow blame Garth Crooks and Lenny Henry for the behaviour of online racists.

That is not what I am saying at all. My point is that these moronic idiots go about their business in anonymity loving the negative headlines that they helped to create. Have a look at the accounts these hateful messages are sent from, they are in the vast majority of cases from spoof (keyboard worrier) type profiles. Sadly some people are just plain sad and giving their small minds and empty lives the satisfaction these types of headlines in a sick way spurs them on. Should the likes of Crooks say nothing, no. But the focus should be on lobbying Twitter and social media platforms to make sure people are accountable to their words. If this is done I can see these types of posts stopping very quickly.

ccfc1234 · Aug 26, 2019

Otis said:
You can't change your hairstyle if you are bald.

And that's why, Otis, I put bald in the genetic list (see above) If somone has a bad haircut they can change, while I would not pick on it personally, it's not as bad as laughing at someone who was like a friend of mine born with no hair.

Grappa · Aug 26, 2019

DannyThomas_1981 · Aug 26, 2019

ccfc1234 said:
That is not what I am saying at all. My point is that these moronic idiots go about their business in anonymity loving the negative headlines that they helped to create. Have a look at the accounts these hateful messages are sent from, they are in the vast majority of cases from spoof (keyboard worrier) type profiles. Sadly some people are just plain sad and giving their small minds and empty lives the satisfaction these types of headlines in a sick way spurs them on. Should the likes of Crooks say nothing, no. But the focus should be on lobbying Twitter and social media platforms to make sure people are accountable to their words. If this is done I can see these types of posts stopping very quickly.

I agree with a lot of what you have written ccfc1234. I would also say there has been a very well documented rise in racism since the Brexit vote but that's for another channel.

Otis · Aug 26, 2019

Grappa said:

Yeah, really good natured, that.

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