I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. Wasps are under no obligation to help us out. If they don't want to work with us it's not a scandal to be investigated. What would you investigate exactly?
No one is under any obligation to help us, certain organisations have legal limits in exactly what help they can give us. The only people responsible for the club are the clubs owners and even then the only responsibility they have is to the FA, the taxman and their shareholders.
Whining that bigger boys came and snogged the girl you were thinking about asking out generally gets you laughed at.
But we're told they made assurances that their arrival wouldn't have a negative impact on us so surely there is an obligation on their part.Wasps are under no obligation to help us out. I
Top post lol, Sorry but you have to forget about ccfc while sisu are here , go if you want , stay away if you want, but don't blame anyone else for where we are the council shafted us , but sisu have had many chances to build bridges , they don't even care about there own customers ,sorry supporters, so why would wasps care about themWhining that bigger boys came and snogged the girl you were thinking about asking out generally gets you laughed at
Imagine you're renting a room out in your house. The only person that comes in for it turns out to be the guy who, after what you consider to be a minor shunt in the car, is taking you to court to sue for personal injury. Would you be willing to let him the room? Or would you tell him to sod off unless he drops his court case.I've posted on another thread about Wasps and the pies - a short sharp 'no comment' on pie-gate which to me just isn't good enough.
Just read on twitter (not sure how to post screen shots on here) Gilbert of CT fame with a quick exchange where he was asked if CT could ask Wasps about if a long-term Ricoh agreement could be developed.
His response was 'We have. They say it's not a priority for them at the moment. Previously pointed to legal action from Sisu.'
Is it just me, or is that just a let off for Wasps/ ACL (again)? Where is the scrutiny? Where is the 'investigative' journalism in the public interest that the CT keep banging on about?
I'm sure when the Ricoh deal was done somewhere it said 'it can't be to the detriment of ccfc'. Obviously that is laughable, but why is there no follow up to Wasps not having any interest in negotiations? How has it got to the fact that the football club has no home in 18 months and discussions 'aren't a priority' for wasps? Don't get me wrong, I know our owners have alienated everyone, but wasps just seem to say 'we aren't interested' or 'no comment' and that's it - end of story.
It's a rhetorical question, I know why the CT don't challenge wasps/ ACL but what do we do, just lie down and take this blatant onesidedness? How can the CT not push this any further, yet deem it newsworthy enough to highlight that CCFC have expensive pies and programmes?!!
I'm far from a Gilbert fan, as many aren't on here, but he doesn't seem to do himself many favours by coming across as so one-sided, or is this just me getting wound up by it??
But we're told they made assurances that their arrival wouldn't have a negative impact on us so surely there is an obligation on their part.
I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. Wasps are under no obligation to help us out. If they don't want to work with us it's not a scandal to be investigated. What would you investigate exactly?
No one is under any obligation to help us, certain organisations have legal limits in exactly what help they can give us. The only people responsible for the club are the clubs owners and even then the only responsibility they have is to the FA, the taxman and their shareholders.
Whining that bigger boys came and snogged the girl you were thinking about asking out generally gets you laughed at.
Why?You'd think, publicly at least, they'd make more of an effort to appear as though they'd like the club to thrive and succeed and that they're open to discussions about an extension.
I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. Wasps are under no obligation to help us out. If they don't want to work with us it's not a scandal to be investigated. What would you investigate exactly?
I disagree. As Chief Dave says there were supposedly assurances made during the purchase that it wouldn't negatively impact CCFC. Don't get me wrong, I'm certainly not saying that it's everyone else's fault and it's poor old CCFC.
Legal obligation? Who knows what form those assurances were made about the impact on CCFC. Moral obligation? I would say so. Wasps are a good PR machine, but not when it comes to CCFC and no one seems to pick this up and challenge it.
As far as the analogy with the room renting? I'm not thick, I get the predicament, I don't need it spelling out to me. The frustration comes (as I said) in the fact Wasps say on several fronts no comment, or not interested and that is the end of that.
I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. Wasps are under no obligation to help us out. If they don't want to work with us it's not a scandal to be investigated. What would you investigate exactly?
Whining that bigger boys came and snogged the girl you were thinking about asking out generally gets you laughed at.
Why?
If I were Wasps I'd be bloody delighted if the football club bogged off to Bogota (or Balsall Common).
Alas, very few seem to care about the football club, and of those that don't care, a fair few confuse SISU being shafted with the consequence for the club.Because they are still in the process of trying to win hearts and minds in a city where many people are cynical and sceptical of their presence
But we're told they made assurances that their arrival wouldn't have a negative impact on us so surely there is an obligation on their part.
And even if you don't believe they should be prepared to talk to the club there's still things that a local paper should be following up on. They get off far too lightly, any answer they give is taken at face value. The same standard is certainly not applied to CCFC.
For example when the subject of them taking over Higgs for their training centre came up their justification for picking it over 17 other identified sites was that it was close to the Ricoh and in the city centre - its neither yet the CT just published it without challenge. Wasps say no comment about the pies and that's it. Refuse to talk to CCFC about staying past next season and no questions are asked. No valuation on the lease despite the bond proposal stating one was due, a vague everythings fine from Wasps weeks later and thats it.
Pretty hard to defend that as high quality journalism. Not to mention if anything like the above is pointed out you, at best, get a sarcastic response.
Must be bloody pissed off at Wasps then, given their incompetence in achieving their stated aim of a ground in London.I am more annoyed at people who do things badly rather than people who do things seemingly well.
Alas, very few seem to care about the football club, and of those that don't care, a fair few confuse SISU being shafted with the consequence for the club.
Not sure that we are at all relevant in their hearts and minds quest tbh... and sadly. Used to think differently, but the sheer apathy speaks otherwise.
Leaving aside the fact that ccfc no longer have the option of owning the Ricoh outright (which ultimately is their own fault for not taking up the option or acting in a right and proper manner in negotiations), what exactly have wasps done that has been detrimental to ccfc since they've been involved?
But they don't care atm, and that's the point.You know as well as I do that there is huge latent support for the club. It is still the city's most important cultural asset. We've seen (going back a long way I know) the impact the club can have - 250,000 on the streets after the cup final and all that. Nothing else in this city has the power to move the people the way the football club can. People underestimate that. Yes, people have drifted away, there may be a lost generation, but people still care. For every city fan who I know who attends games i could name 10 who don't. Tragic, but they're still there. It would only take something as shitty as a Checkatrade Trophy final and you'd have people in sleeping bags on the BPA car park.
It does matter, and I think we do ourselves a disservice when we declare that the affinity has gone and people don't care. We're not dead yet. On life support but not dead. Sadly, when you get fans of CCFC declaring that the club doesn't matter, then perhaps it is all over. Call me an optimist, but I still think this is recoverable once SISU have gone. We can rise again, and when we do, it will be glorious.
The CT know which side their bread is buttered. CCFC don't spend much on advertising whereas Wasps do.I've posted on another thread about Wasps and the pies - a short sharp 'no comment' on pie-gate which to me just isn't good enough.
Just read on twitter (not sure how to post screen shots on here) Gilbert of CT fame with a quick exchange where he was asked if CT could ask Wasps about if a long-term Ricoh agreement could be developed.
His response was 'We have. They say it's not a priority for them at the moment. Previously pointed to legal action from Sisu.'
Is it just me, or is that just a let off for Wasps/ ACL (again)? Where is the scrutiny? Where is the 'investigative' journalism in the public interest that the CT keep banging on about?
I'm sure when the Ricoh deal was done somewhere it said 'it can't be to the detriment of ccfc'. Obviously that is laughable, but why is there no follow up to Wasps not having any interest in negotiations? How has it got to the fact that the football club has no home in 18 months and discussions 'aren't a priority' for wasps? Don't get me wrong, I know our owners have alienated everyone, but wasps just seem to say 'we aren't interested' or 'no comment' and that's it - end of story.
It's a rhetorical question, I know why the CT don't challenge wasps/ ACL but what do we do, just lie down and take this blatant onesidedness? How can the CT not push this any further, yet deem it newsworthy enough to highlight that CCFC have expensive pies and programmes?!!
I'm far from a Gilbert fan, as many aren't on here, but he doesn't seem to do himself many favours by coming across as so one-sided, or is this just me getting wound up by it??
What about all the drivel from the council about no detriment to CCFC?I'll keep saying this until I'm blue in the face. Wasps are under no obligation to help us out. If they don't want to work with us it's not a scandal to be investigated. What would you investigate exactly?
No one is under any obligation to help us, certain organisations have legal limits in exactly what help they can give us. The only people responsible for the club are the clubs owners and even then the only responsibility they have is to the FA, the taxman and their shareholders.
Whining that bigger boys came and snogged the girl you were thinking about asking out generally gets you laughed at.
did we not sell the rights to the beer and pie money some time ago?And the council should have made sure there was caveat in place within the Ricoh deal agreement that protected Coventry City's right to continue to play at the Ricoh and enjoy the benefits of match day revenue.
The people of Coventry not really that bothered are they? Coventry is one of the most apathetic places in the country (election turnouts and constantly returning hopeless councillors and MPs show you that).Because they are still in the process of trying to win hearts and minds in a city where many people are cynical and sceptical of their presence, and also where a large number of people care about the football club. Looking at it from their side, and given the sour taste that was left by the AH move (for some at least), I'd have thought it would be sensible from their point of view to keep the football supporters on side - something they could do without making huge concessions.
Must be bloody pissed off at Wasps then, given their incompetence in achieving their stated aim of a ground in London.
CCFC/SISU Management know exactly what they have to do to get a long term deal.
CCFC will be offered a short term deal (on Wasps terms) when the current short term deal ends.
We all want the legals to finish so we can move on and so do Wasps. What's the issue?
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