Grendel
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You got a like from Arsetute for that well though out response. Well done.
SISU are consistent BULLSHITTERS
Also, Mutton and Lucas don't have the absolute power. I thought it had become apparent this was where Lucas's attempts at resolving the conflict fell down, as she wasn't in a position to make decisions by herself? (Incidentally, I'd be somewhat concerned if she could but then this is where the bipolar nature of so much comes in - I can quite happily say it's ridiculous for SISU to expect resolution by sure, swift, one-off meetings! Being critical of some elements doesn't make me a SISU plant in the slightest!)
Yes I agree, Higgs seem to have acted in good faith and have put the blame firmly on CCC.
Strikes me that Joy not only knows nothing about Football, but also knows nothing about UK local government.
I think that somewhere in that sentence you are commending me for being consistent?
Thank you!
You got a like from Arsetute for that well though out response. Well done.
If we're into simplistic arguments like that then Higgs and CCC have played a blinder here.
Today Higgs Vs Sisu: Higgs blame CCC, Higgs free from any accusations, no comeback on CCC as their not on trial.
JR CCC Vs Sisu: CCC blame Higgs, CCC free from any accusations, no comeback on Higgs as their not on trial.
If you wanted a successful club right now, the smart move would surely be to come back to the Ricoh and take advantage of the extra 10,000 or so fans every home game, whilst perhaps negotiating over the other things you might need. However, as we know, that's not likely to happen at the moment.
That is indeed a fair point.
And it's one of the sad things about this whole affair. Mutton bangs on about not wanting a hedge fund involved, Seppala gets frustrated with the pace of council decisions so applies ridiculous pressure and then announces she can't deal with them.
Anybody who's come within sniffing distance of a council knows the shock is when a decision's reached, not the 400 meetings about meetings beforehand!
I never understood why it wasn't an option to do that, rebuild trust and after a few yrs of break even & careful management be in a position to buy a majority the Arena at more preferential price, possibly by each rent payment buying a small share percentage. All this moving to Northampton to force the issue smacks of there being only a short term plan.
The original plan was nice and simple. Spend some cash, go for a quick promotion, bail.
The problem with such a plan is that it doesn't have a soft landing, if the foundations have been knocked down by their predecessors, and the current owners make no effort to build them back up again.
The problem then when it comes down to it is the apocalypse scenario. When it fails, there's no sentiment to accept it fails and to move it on elsewhere. It's where the absolute doom will come in, as there's no need to keep the club going for political/reputational/emotional reasons.
That doesn't mean if you were to offer them a couple of miracle seasons and two promotions, they wouldn't take it!
If sisu fail then its bye bye CCFC. Pick your side carefully and be careful what you wish for.
I pray daily for an ACL victory at the JR...
You can stop praying, it won't help. ACL will not win the JR.
In fact ACL won't even be there.
I'm pretty sure SISU will want ACL director West there.You can stop praying, it won't help. ACL will not win the JR.
In fact ACL won't even be there.
On the converse, if SISU win the JR and somehow get the Ricoh for a steal, that will not only shake my faith in the justice system but would also make me consider giving up as a Cov fan.
Sisu winning the JR won't automatically lead to them getting the Ricoh for a steel. But two things may happen - ACL may need to repay the loan to CCC and sisu may have grounds to sue for damages.
If Sisu win, it means CCC lose and have been proven to act illegal - or outside the legal scope of state aid. So some blame will probably have to be placed. In that scenario I think the most likely outcome will be a return to the original agreement where sisu buys the Higgs shares (maybe for a little less than the previously agreed £5.5m) plus agree a similar price for the CCC shares plus a 125 yr long lease. In return sisu will abstain from pursuing damages.
Again that's what I think may happen IF sisu wins the JR.
I'd be worried that even if we'd got a quick return to the premier league getting out might not have been so easy for them. As we are now being repeatedly told by Mr Labovitch football clubs can't survive without the pie money. So would a potential purchaser look at the books and say why haven't you bought the Higgs share back and negotiated for the matchday costs. Also wouldn't having a half share in ACL have increased the value of our club.
Might hear from Sisu lady etc. and then Judge passes sentence and tells Sisu to either pay up or the Higgs to go away.
Can you name any club ever been promoted to the premier without pie money?
Good point, edited accordingly.
On the converse, if SISU win the JR and somehow get the Ricoh for a steal, that will not only shake my faith in the justice system but would also make me consider giving up as a Cov fan.
Can you name any club ever been promoted to the premier without pie money?
Can you name any club ever been promoted to the premier without pie money?
It's not criminal justice.
There is no winner to the JR.
Can you name any club ever been promoted to the premier without pie money?
Can you name any club ever been promoted to the premier without pie money?
How about one playing 35 miles from its Home?
Plus how many have been relegated also getting the famous pie money.
Seems to me that Sisu could easily have purchased a half share in ACL from day one. This has been common knowledge for a very long time. Again, at some point in 2012 they were in prime position to buy that half share for a figure of around 5.5 to 7.5 million pounds. They faffed about at that point, looking to get a cheaper deal. Again missing their chance. Again that seems to be common knowledge.
They blew it. Their history here could easily have been so different. A tiny bit of investment on their part would have earned them millions. They didn't do this.
They've probably lost as much this season at Sixfields as they might have spent on securing that 50% share of ACL.
They are not very good business people are they.
They've repeated that off the field dereliction with the on the field stupidity. Setting up the midfield in the relegation season with two 17 year olds and selling our main striker as we nosedived to relegation.
They deserve every criticism coming their way.
There's nothing in this Higgs case that most City fans couldn't have told you anyway. A year ago, at that.
Dress it up anyway you like, Sisu really messed up. They only have themselves to blame.
You got a like from Arsetute for that well though out response. Well done.
Can PWKH start posting on here again once this is over or does he have to wait till SISU lose the JR?
It used to be nice to get a truthful insight about what was happening
Sisu winning the JR won't automatically lead to them getting the Ricoh for a steel. But two things may happen - ACL may need to repay the loan to CCC and sisu may have grounds to sue for damages.
If Sisu win, it means CCC lose and have been proven to act illegal - or outside the legal scope of state aid. So some blame will probably have to be placed. In that scenario I think the most likely outcome will be a return to the original agreement where sisu buys the Higgs shares (maybe for a little less than the previously agreed £5.5m) plus agree a similar price for the CCC shares plus a 125 yr long lease. In return sisu will abstain from pursuing damages.
Again that's what I think may happen IF sisu wins the JR.
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