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Higgs vs CCFC Court Row (1 Viewer)

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Grendel

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #981
chiefdave said:
Does a split between Higgs and CCC actually benefit SISU? Weren't they making out that everyone else was working together behind SISUs back to try and stich them up, if it turns out they don't get on then it would impact on that arguement.

As for SISU being kept informed what was happening then we need to know how that was supposedly done. If it was verbal it will come down to who the judge believes, if the CCC chap was supposed to have done a more formal notification then there will be some evidence to backup his claim.
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What if Higgs only agreed to the transfer if the YB deal on the understanding that sisu were aware of the transfer? What then? Harris is under oath no backup needed.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #982
oldskyblue58 said:
I don't think it is a question of AEHC pointing fingers at CCC or its officers, more that PWKH and PH are not prepared to lie to cover up actions or inactions ...... ie they will answer truthfully.......... what was done or not done can not be altered
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We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?
 

sky blue john

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #983
James Smith said:
Possibly not, more likely not if this exclusivity period had ended - sounds like the Higgs were just being polite towards Sisu.
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Thats how i see it hardly going to bring the council crashing down..
 

GaryPendrysEyes

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #984
Grendel said:
Its OK for Higgs to be deceived and lied to by the council is it?
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If it was deliberate deception its not very professional, guess the council bloke might respond. But its hardly war and peace is it? for this or the JR is it illegal not to inform Sisu or just a courtesy??
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #985
Grendel said:
What if Higgs only agreed to the transfer if the YB deal on the understanding that sisu were aware of the transfer? What then? Harris is under oath no backup needed.
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But again that could be a moral rather than legal arguement. Unless there is a legal requirement to tell SISU what was happened it can't really be that much of an issue.

EDIT: and what if someone had told Labovich but he couldn't hear as he wasn't working for the right company that day
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #986
chiefdave said:
But again that could be a moral rather than legal arguement. Unless there is a legal requirement to tell SISU what was happened it can't really be that much of an issue.
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It can in Higgs wouldn't agree to it unless the condition was that sisu were aware. Of course that would be a huge issue.
 

James Smith

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #987
chiefdave said:
We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?
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This West bloke hasn't had a chance to say whether he did or didn't tell Sisu, or was even required to (might not have been).
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #988
chiefdave said:
We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?
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True but that wasn't the point I was making ...... the way it has come across to me is that PWKH and PH have been truthful in their answers no matter the difficulty of the question or the results of the answer
 

Rob S

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #989
chiefdave said:
Is this going to come down to one persons word against anothers?
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West told Harris that Sisu had been informed. They hadn't.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #990
James Smith said:
This West bloke hasn't had a chance to say whether he did or didn't tell Sisu, or was even required to (might not have been).
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It doesn't matter if he was required to - he advised other Board members he did - why unless it was to deliberately deceive the other Board members? Harris is hardly going to lie is he?
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #991
GaryPendrysEyes said:
If it was deliberate deception its not very professional, guess the council bloke might respond. But its hardly war and peace is it? for this or the JR is it illegal not to inform Sisu or just a courtesy??
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How could a Coventry Local Authority lie to a Coventry Charity with whom it is in a formal legal relationship? How?
 

oldskyblue58

CCFC Finance Director
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #992
Did the Higgs barrister raise any points of interests or rebut any points when questioning PWKH or PH. Did the Judge make any comments or seek clarification from either?
 

James Smith

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #993
chiefdave said:
But again that could be a moral rather than legal arguement. Unless there is a legal requirement to tell SISU what was happened it can't really be that much of an issue.

EDIT: and what if someone had told Labovich but he couldn't hear as he wasn't working for the right company that day
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I beat you to that one see post #964
 

torchomatic

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #994
I thought Harris said West said SISU had been informed when in fact West hadn't informed them.

chiefdave said:
We don't actually know if SISU were told or not yet do we? SISU have said they weren't, Higgs have said as far as they know they were. Or have I missed something?
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chiefdave

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #995
Grendel said:
It can in Higgs wouldn't agree to it unless the condition was that sisu were aware. Of course that would be a huge issue.
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But that would be an issue between Higgs and CCC.
 

torchomatic

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #996
Er....splutter, splutter....etc

fernandopartridge said:
How could a Coventry Local Authority lie to a Coventry Charity with whom it is in a formal legal relationship? How?
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Grendel

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #997
chiefdave said:
But that would be an issue between Higgs and CCC.
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Yes but the point is why do it? Did it influence Higgs decision - would they have not agreed to transfer the loan to the Council without West confirming this?

I also assume you are outraged at a councillor lying to a charity? Yes?
 

James Smith

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #998
Grendel said:
It doesn't matter if he was required to - he advised other Board members he did - why unless it was to deliberately deceive the other Board members? Harris is hardly going to lie is he?
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Not sure it follows that they had to inform Sisu though, which is what the issue is as I see it. And you've changed your tune since yesterday when this case wasn't worth our effort discussing.
 

GaryPendrysEyes

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #999
Grendel seems absolutely enthralled by this case and thread LMFAO
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,000
Quick break and now Roly Higgs as witness.

Saw Paul Harris during the break and he looked relieved to have finished.

He came across as very straightforward, credible, honest and ethical. Good bloke and solid City fan.

It'll be interesting to see how his testimony affects the other half of ACL.
 

covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,001
so whats the latest chaps? council have been proven to be liars?
 

James Smith

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,002
torchomatic said:
I thought Harris said West said SISU had been informed when in fact West hadn't informed them.
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The man hasn't had a chance to defend himself so we don't know what he did, said he did.
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,003
Wonder why.:thinking about:
GaryPendrysEyes said:
Grendel seems absolutely enthralled by this case and thread LMFAO
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torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,004
Agreed. However, for Harris to mention it in court then he must be pretty sure that's the way it happened.

James Smith said:
The man hasn't had a chance to defend himself so we don't know what he did, said he did.
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DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,005
covcity4life said:
so whats the latest chaps? council have been proven to be liars?
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So far the only thing that has been determined beyond doubt is that SISU's counter claim has been thrown out by the judge.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,006
oldskyblue58 said:
Did the Higgs barrister raise any points of interests or rebut any points when questioning PWKH or PH. Did the Judge make any comments or seek clarification from either?
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I'll check back later on notes. Or we might have to wait for the transcript. Everyone at the back of the court tapping, scribbling and shaking sore hands with a lot of info coming think and fast with references to docs we can't see yet.
Glad this isn't my day job!
 

DazzleTommyDazzle

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,007
torchomatic said:
I thought Harris said West said SISU had been informed when in fact West hadn't informed them.
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He might have asked Michael Byng to send them an email to let them know....
 

ccfcway

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,008
maybe he was misquoted
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,009
Or the letter got lost in the post maybe.

DazzleTommyDazzle said:
He might have asked Michael Byng to send them an email to let them know....
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Warwickhunt

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,010
I know Paul Harris he used to be my boss and he is straight as a die
 

torchomatic

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,011
We'll find out in due course, I guess.

ccfcway said:
maybe he was misquoted
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covcity4life

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,012
DazzleTommyDazzle said:
So far the only thing that has been determined beyond doubt is that SISU's counter claim has been thrown out by the judge.
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good. lets get to the core of it all.
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,013
Grendel said:
I also assume you are outraged at a councillor lying to a charity? Yes?
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I wouldn't be too happy if that has happened for sure but I think the guy this is being aimed at should get a chance to defend himself before we all hang him out to dry!

Lets be honest, someone involved in politics telling a porky wouldn't be the revelation of the century!

Grendel said:
Does anyone genuinely care less about this case? Its all totally pointless and irrelevant.
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Not sure why you're getting so worked up as its all totally pointless and irrelevant
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,014
torchomatic said:
Agreed. However, for Harris to mention it in court then he must be pretty sure that's the way it happened.
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I'd expect Simon Gilbert to get on the phone to Chris West when we're done and we'll see the report. His (along with mine and a fair few others) eyes were as wide as saucers when it went down.
 

Rob S

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 2, 2014
  • #1,015
Marilyn K-H on the stand now.
 
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