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GaryJones · Sep 20, 2018

Thinking of players we loved here who moved on thinking the grass was greener & spectacularly back-fired.
3 Recent ones that spring to mind -
Marc NcNulty (although he could turn it around)
George Thomas
Duckens Nazon

I’m sure the list is endless - but they must be players we thought were hero’s to qualify!

skybluegod · Sep 20, 2018

Westwood initially, failed at Sunderland but did okay after
Sambou
Joe Murphy (offered new deal left for Huddersfield, didn’t play)

Grendel · Sep 20, 2018

GaryJones said:
Thinking of players we loved here who moved on thinking the grass was greener & spectacularly back-fired.
3 Recent ones that spring to mind -
Marc NcNulty (although he could turn it around)
George Thomas
Duckens Nazon

I’m sure the list is endless - but they must be players we thought were hero’s to qualify!

Financially it’s a lot greener for Thomas

skybluegod · Sep 20, 2018

Bigi when he first left...

skybluegod · Sep 20, 2018

Grendel said:
Financially it’s a lot greener for Thomas

Same with McNulty, and Nazon probably hasn’t done any worse financially but in terms of career might not be the best move, that’s how I took the question anyway...

Si80 · Sep 20, 2018

Stevenson. Well thought of here and would’ve got game time under Robins I think if he’d stayed. Now playing 3rd tier in Spain.

Terry Gibson's perm · Sep 20, 2018

Si80 said:
Stevenson. Well thought of here and would’ve got game time under Robins I think if he’d stayed. Now playing 3rd tier in Spain.

Must be hell playing in Spain earning good money

skyblueelephant76 · Sep 20, 2018

GaryJones said:
Thinking of players we loved here who moved on thinking the grass was greener & spectacularly back-fired.
3 Recent ones that spring to mind -
Marc NcNulty (although he could turn it around)
George Thomas
Duckens Nazon

I’m sure the list is endless - but they must be players we thought were hero’s to qualify!

Nazon moved to the league above us and scored goals then got a move to the Belgian top flight - I'm not sure how that classes spectacularly backfiring.

GaryJones · Sep 20, 2018

Ok I concede that you might have a point with Nazon.
He did go to a league above with Oldham - who he saw relegated back to the league he left "to play at a higher level".
He is now playing in the Belgian top flight which is indeed true - Sint-Truiden average about 6,000 so I would say they are probably equivalent to a bottom end League 1 team or a top end League 2 team which is hardly progress.
I do agree that its not a spectacular back-fire though!

Deleted member 2477 · Sep 20, 2018

The one that stands out for me more than any other.
Michael Mifsud got greedy snd two big for his boots. Listened to his agent and left to become nothing within 12 months

Sky Blue Harry H · Sep 20, 2018

George Thomas is a weird one for me - he seems to be doing really well for Welsh national teams when selected, yet Scunthorpe seem to keep him on the bench, which I can't think Leicester (or he) will be too happy about. I think he will end up in the Championship at best, as the lack of height,pace/dribbling will hold him back from reaching the top level. Very good technically, though.

Sky Blue Pete · Sep 20, 2018

Stevenson may regret moving big time

Sky Blue Harry H · Sep 20, 2018

Paul Dyson, anybody?

GaryJones · Sep 20, 2018

Is he now a vacuum cleaner salesman?

LastGarrison · Sep 20, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Paul Dyson, anybody?

He sucked...

ccfcway · Sep 20, 2018

Kyle Reid

usskyblue · Sep 20, 2018

Sky Blue Harry H said:
Paul Dyson, anybody?

Vacuumed up everything thrown at him m8

Sky_Blue_Daz · Sep 20, 2018

Danny fox didn’t do a lot at Celtic which surprised me as I thought he would of done really well

fernandopartridge · Sep 20, 2018

marcusp said:
The one that stands out for me more than any other.
Michael Mifsud got greedy snd two big for his boots. Listened to his agent and left to become nothing within 12 months

Mifsud wasn't fancied by Coleman. He weren't that good either tbf but better than Eastwood who replaced him

itsabuzzard · Sep 21, 2018

Heroes

GaryJones said:
Thinking of players we loved here who moved on thinking the grass was greener & spectacularly back-fired.
3 Recent ones that spring to mind -
Marc NcNulty (although he could turn it around)
George Thomas
Duckens Nazon

I’m sure the list is endless - but they must be players we thought were hero’s to qualify!

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usskyblue · Sep 21, 2018

itsabuzzard said:
Heroes

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Top tune m8

Grendel · Sep 21, 2018

Terry Gibson

Magwitch · Sep 21, 2018

Depends what you call failure, do we all really believe leaving a third/fourth division club to join the then reigning premier league champions failure? Okay he hasn’tt burst into their first team yet but had become an international and come to think of it was he a first choice regular here ? Stevenson similar really signed by perhaps the most improving club in the country and by their current manager too, time on his side, also not a regular here. Then we have, McNulty done nothing yet at struggling Reading hardly played so can’t be blamed at all, this time last year according to a lot of our resident experts was pants. Footballs a funny old game

DionDublinsJockstrap · Sep 21, 2018

Conor Thomas ?

GaryJones · Sep 21, 2018

DionDublinsJockstrap said:
Conor Thomas ?

Who? :happy:

Mucca Mad Boys · Sep 21, 2018

Magwitch said:
Depends what you call failure, do we all really believe leaving a third/fourth division club to join the then reigning premier league champions failure? Okay he hasn’tt burst into their first team yet but had become an international and come to think of it was he a first choice regular here ? Stevenson similar really signed by perhaps the most improving club in the country and by their current manager too, time on his side, also not a regular here. Then we have, McNulty done nothing yet at struggling Reading hardly played so can’t be blamed at all, this time last year according to a lot of our resident experts was pants. Footballs a funny old game

He joined the ‘reigning champions’ U23s.

From a professional standpoint, Thomas’ career has regressed, or at best, stagnated. He’s increased his wages, yes. Got an international call-up, yes. But, these are all short-term gains. With us, he was the main man, now he’s on the bench at Scunthorpe — so that should tell you something about where he’s at. Last season playing U23s was a waste for him because it’s senior football he needs to develop. He probably won’t be on life changing money at Leicester and he won’t get anymore international call ups if he’s not playing/benching for L1 teams.

Imagine if Thomas had stayed with us (or stayed with a L1 team) and had a great 15-20 goal season? He would’ve earned a move to a Championship team just like McNulty, Elisa, Marriott and so on. McNulty will most likely be on significantly more money than Thomas too.

Liquid Gold · Sep 21, 2018

Mucca Mad Boys said:
He joined the ‘reigning champions’ U23s.

From a professional standpoint, Thomas’ career has regressed, or at best, stagnated. He’s increased his wages, yes. Got an international call-up, yes. But, these are all short-term gains. With us, he was the main man, now he’s on the bench at Scunthorpe — so that should tell you something about where he’s at. Last season playing U23s was a waste for him because it’s senior football he needs to develop. He probably won’t be on life changing money at Leicester and he won’t get anymore international call ups if he’s not playing/benching for L1 teams.

Imagine if Thomas had stayed with us (or stayed with a L1 team) and had a great 15-20 goal season? He would’ve earned a move to a Championship team just like McNulty, Elisa, Marriott and so on. McNulty will most likely be on significantly more money than Thomas too.

Thats the thing, too many players/fans look at the move in front of them, which is understandable considering they could break their leg next week and never play again, but too few look at how they are going to develop immediately and where that will put them in 2/3 years time. Maddison was probably lucky that Norwich got relegated and he got the loan to Aberdeen as it gave him two full seasons to develop, Bayliss seems to have his head screwed on with regards playing first team football but for each of them you have a Bigi, Thomas, Stevenson who regressed years moving too soon.

clint van damme · Sep 21, 2018

Grendel said:
Terry Gibson

Got to play for the biggest club in the country and won an FA cup a few years later.
Would we have won it if he'd stayed?

Magwitch · Sep 21, 2018

Mucca Mad Boys said:
He joined the ‘reigning champions’ U23s.

From a professional standpoint, Thomas’ career has regressed, or at best, stagnated. He’s increased his wages, yes. Got an international call-up, yes. But, these are all short-term gains. With us, he was the main man, now he’s on the bench at Scunthorpe — so that should tell you something about where he’s at. Last season playing U23s was a waste for him because it’s senior football he needs to develop. He probably won’t be on life changing money at Leicester and he won’t get anymore international call ups if he’s not playing/benching for L1 teams.

Imagine if Thomas had stayed with us (or stayed with a L1 team) and had a great 15-20 goal season? He would’ve earned a move to a Championship team just like McNulty, Elisa, Marriott and so on. McNulty will most likely be on significantly more money than Thomas too.

If Thomas had stayed with us it’s likely we wouldn’t have signed McNulty, would he have scored 28 goals without which we wouldn’t have finished sixth. As usual football full of ifs and maybes. With respect Should take your Sky Blues specs off. We were fourth division when Thomas and Stevenson left, Leicester were premier champions, Wolves top of the championship !! No brainier for both imo. Okay come back in three or four years and see where they are

ccfcway · Sep 21, 2018

Liquid Gold said:
, Bayliss seems to have his head screwed on with regards playing first team football but for each of them you have a Bigi, Thomas, Stevenson who regressed years moving too soon.

Bigi likely to be set up for life, Thomas is young and nothing to suggest he would have done a Mcnulty and Stevenson is playing in spain on considerably more money than he was on here.

99.9% of the time, I have ccfc tinted glasses on, but in cases like this, I thing we are a little biased

Samo · Sep 21, 2018

I wish them all well, its a short career.

Covstu · Sep 21, 2018

Not a player but surely Robins should be included in this one!

no_loyalty · Sep 21, 2018

The I'm too good to play in league two Jordan Turnbull, who is now playing in a league two team near the bottom of the league, and also has a few relegation on his cv

Astute · Sep 21, 2018

skybluegod said:
Westwood initially, failed at Sunderland but did okay after
Sambou
Joe Murphy (offered new deal left for Huddersfield, didn’t play)

Name someone who hasn't failed at Sunderland in recent years.

Mucca Mad Boys · Sep 22, 2018

Magwitch said:
If Thomas had stayed with us it’s likely we wouldn’t have signed McNulty, would he have scored 28 goals without which we wouldn’t have finished sixth. As usual football full of ifs and maybes. With respect Should take your Sky Blues specs off. We were fourth division when Thomas and Stevenson left, Leicester were premier champions, Wolves top of the championship !! No brainier for both imo. Okay come back in three or four years and see where they are

Thomas nor Stevenson has made a senior appearance for Leicester or Wolves. In fact, both were specifically signed for their U23s. Stevenson, if you remember, moved to Colchester on loan and managed to establish himself there as a bench warmer. In fairness to Stevenson, he wasn’t getting game time with us, so I don’t blame him for forcing a move. I doubt he’ll make ever make an appearance for Wolves. Likewise for Thomas at Leicester, again, who since he’s left us, isn’t playing first team football. League 2 is a higher standard than U23 football and regardless of whether or not we got promoted or not, had he scored 15-20 goals, top end L1 or Championship teams would’ve been in for him. You can’t go from playing first team football to U23s, that’s a regression whichever way you look at it. As it so happens, he’s now on the bench for a L1 side.

Take the classic example of Sambou. Left Coventry because he wasn’t getting first team football, went to Everton, has never even come close to making a senior appearance. We also played Everton U23s this preseason, and Sambou was the bench, for their U23s. You’d suspect he’ll end up playing in non-league and that contract he signed at Everton, whilst better than what we could offer, won’t last him a lifetime. Stevenson and Thomas won’t be any better off than Sambou at this rate.

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