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SAJ

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #36
shmmeee said:
To be clear: I know the theory, but it’s the people you hire that matter not their job titles. Otherwise you bake in poor performance not high standards.
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Or you bury you head in the sand and don’t move forward.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #37
SAJ said:
Or you bury you head in the sand and don’t move forward.
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We’ve been moving forwards for seven years. After twenty odd of moving backwards.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #38
Sky Blue Dal said:
Correction!!! Would say promoted to Manager.

Mikel Arteta's Arsenal job title changes from head coach to first-team manager

New chief executive Vinai Venkatesham: Thats recognition of what hes been doing from the day he walked in the door, but also where we see his capabilities
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So it lasted two years and was a failure. Don’t they want to be an elite club?
 
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SAJ

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #39
shmmeee said:
We’ve been moving forwards for seven years. After twenty odd of moving backwards.
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So when your teaching I suppose you still use a blackboard and chalk? It exactly the same thing.
 

nicksar

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #40
Sky Blue Dal said:
Correction!!! Would say promoted to Manager.

Mikel Arteta's Arsenal job title changes from head coach to first-team manager

New chief executive Vinai Venkatesham: Thats recognition of what hes been doing from the day he walked in the door, but also where we see his capabilities
www.skysports.com
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I stand corrected then... but it doesn't alter the fact that a Head Coach is now the norm in most football clubs in this country and (basically) the whole of Europe.
Mark Robins recently said he was happy with the new structure because he could no longer carry out all of the tasks that the club needed .
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #41
nicksar said:
I stand corrected then... but it doesn't alter the fact that a Head Coach is now the norm in most football clubs in this country and (basically) the whole of Europe.
Mark Robins recently said he was happy with the new structure because he could no longer carry out all of the tasks that the club needed .
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I’m not so sure it really norm. Maybe in clubs owned by Americans?

Pep is manager and I believe most prem club have managers. The reasons for this is a manager getting involved in transfer can attract and convince players that they have in their old boys network to join them. Pep could with a phone call attract most players he wants.

I might be wrong but majority of Prem teams have managers than head coaches. Same in Europe.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #42
Sky Blue Dal said:
I’m not so sure it really norm. Maybe in clubs owned by Americans?

Pep is manager and I believe most prem club have managers. The reasons for this is a manager getting involved in transfer can attract and convince players that they have in their old boys network to join them. Pep could with a phone call attract most players he wants.

I might be wrong but majority of Prem teams have managers than head coaches. Same in Europe.
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Not true
 

nicksar

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #43
@Sky Blue Dal you are aware (I'm guessing) that Pep is an outlier in many respects in terms of assistants?..
He's the only manager/coach in world football that has his best friend employed as an "assistant" purely for the reason of non football related social activities.
 

fatso

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #44
torchomatic said:
The bill for iPads and blue tracksuits must be phenomenal.
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I'm sure we get a discount on the tracksuits from sports direct.
 

blunted

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #45
Sky Blue Dal said:
Correction!!! Would say promoted to Manager.

Mikel Arteta's Arsenal job title changes from head coach to first-team manager

New chief executive Vinai Venkatesham: Thats recognition of what hes been doing from the day he walked in the door, but also where we see his capabilities
www.skysports.com
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That can't be right. We are following these top clubs.
 

Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #46
I get that this might just be benchmarking and copying the structure followed at many top clubs.

People have said that it aids transition between head coaches, but I'm not totally on board with that. Pragmatically, you can expect a head coach/mananger to leave at some point, and football is notorious for short tenures so it makes sense to insulate against that, but it also seems a bit defeatist to me. Like you're expecting failure.

But as well as this I can't help but feel it's also a move that allows DK more control. A head coach doesn't necessarily get any say in signings. Their job is to take the players they are given and mould them into a team. So if Doug wants to sign 14 young strikers that have been earmarked to be worth a lot more in the future he can. It's up to the Head Coach to sort that. Similarly he won't have a manager banging on in his ear about pesky loans and older experienced players that don't have any future transfer value.

I might be wrong, but just a feeling I have.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #47
The level of DK paranoia on here is incredible.

head coaches are in situ in almost all the major leagues, is to give DK more control at those clubs as well ??
 
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Sky Blue Dal

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #48
nicksar said:
@Sky Blue Dal you are aware (I'm guessing) that Pep is an outlier in many respects in terms of assistants?..
He's the only manager/coach in world football that has his best friend employed as an "assistant" purely for the reason of non football related social activities.
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tbh was not aware of that. Interesting.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #49
nicksar said:
I stand corrected then... but it doesn't alter the fact that a Head Coach is now the norm in most football clubs in this country and (basically) the whole of Europe.
Mark Robins recently said he was happy with the new structure because he could no longer carry out all of the tasks that the club needed .
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So that includes all the European teams who underachieve and get relegated as well then?
 
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nicksar

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #50
clint van damme said:
So that includes all the European teams who underachieve and get relegated as well then?
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Clint I would imagine that would be the case yes
 

Hobo

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #51
Pusb1 said:
Interesting that we’ll be calling our new manager a ‘Head Coach’.

Little to no involvement with transfers etc i expect. More just someone to front training and tactics
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Well it is no surprise as that is what Mark Robins had become and the way most clubs are run.
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #52
David O'Day said:
it's the system top clubs have used for a long time
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Great, that's why they're the top clubs I suppose and not just because they are exceptionally wealthy and have the best players

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fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #53
How can you have accountability for everything but control over only some of it? All parts of the club represent the machine that wins matches.

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RegTheDonk

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #54
Sounds like sacking the head of sales because the product keeps breaking down.
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #55
shmmeee said:
We’ve been moving forwards for seven years. After twenty odd of moving backwards.
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And for 27 years we had a terrible set up agreed?
 

mmttww

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #56
shmmeee said:
You can’t explain why though can you?
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Lots have. You seem totally blinkered on this one.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #57
covcity4life said:
And for 27 years we had a terrible set up agreed?
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What’s the point of a set up?
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #58
shmmeee said:
What’s the point of a set up?
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I dunno maybe ask Brentford or Brighton?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #59
covcity4life said:
I dunno maybe ask Brentford or Brighton?
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Maybe ask Man City and Arsenal.

All I see as a “benefit” is it gives an owner more control over their asset.
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #60
shmmeee said:
Maybe ask Man City and Arsenal.

All I see as a “benefit” is it gives an owner more control over their asset.
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But if you want it all down to the manager what if we hired a Russel Slade???
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #61
covcity4life said:
I dunno maybe ask Brentford or Brighton?
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The Brighton who let their new head coach appoint his own assistant and sign players over 30, same as we used to do, that Brighton?
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #62
covcity4life said:
But if you want it all down to the manager what if we hired a Russel Slade???
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We had a Mark Robins!

If you make all the hiring decisions you’re just saying you are better than any manager.

The chance of a good manager isn’t improved by this setup, and we had a good manager.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #63
clint van damme said:
The Brighton who let their new head coach appoint his own assistant and sign players over 30, same as we used to do, that Brighton?
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Not every set up is identical. But you must agree it's good to have one?

Shmee is saying he wants sisu organisation back for crying out out
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #64
shmmeee said:
We had a Mark Robins!

If you make all the hiring decisions you’re just saying you are better than any manager.

The chance of a good manager isn’t improved by this setup, and we had a good manager.
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But robins wouldn't have been here forever! The club comes first.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #65
covcity4life said:
Not every set up is identical. But you must agree it's good to have one?

Shme
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Potter literally stripped Brightons when he went to Chelsea, so much for continuity.

And as I keep repeating, I've no issue with modernising the set up, my issue is with how it's been done.
 

covcity4life

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #66
clint van damme said:
Potter literally stripped Brightons when he went to Chelsea, so much for continuity.

And as I keep repeating, I've no issue with modernising the set up, my issue is with how it's been done.
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I have no issue with that. For me I just wanna give it more time before deciding wether coaches not assistants is a truly bad thing or not I guess.
 

Evo1883

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #67
shmmeee said:
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So it lasted two years and was a failure. Don’t they want to be an elite club?
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Crazy for a club of their stature
 
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Ashdown

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #68
As Nana used to say…..what a load of old shit !
 

David O'Day

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #69
fernandopartridge said:
Great, that's why they're the top clubs I suppose and not just because they are exceptionally wealthy and have the best players

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or maybe they just know what they are doing and use the best system

daft plank
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Nov 7, 2024
  • #70
David O'Day said:
or maybe they just know what they are doing and use the best system

daft plank
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Explain why it will work for Coventry without those other advantages David, you know it very well clearly.

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