Non AMP
Sky Blues Talk
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Coventry City Football Club
  • Coventry City General Chat
This is a mobile optimized page that loads fast, if you want to load the real page, click this text.

Haskell in Casino (4 Viewers)

  • Thread starter Steve.B50
  • Start date Apr 6, 2013
Forums New posts
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Next
First Prev 2 of 3 Next Last
D

dionsmagnificentknob.com

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #36
I think the reason most do not trust Elliot is that you do not have a Chairman who wears a nylon tracksuit and shoes EVER! I want someone I can trust to always do things right and Elliot is just not that man, regardless of whether his heart is in the right place.
 
C

CCFCDan87

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #37
stupot07 said:
Is liquidation better than the current situation? Is it not right to ask questions, keep an air of caution?
Click to expand...

Air of caution. We should be behind him. Fresh face fresh start.
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #38
Tonylinc said:
Yes it would Wingy. £20 mill for the club......£10 mill for the Higgs share......£40 mill for the coucil's share. I might have those figures the wrong way round but at the end of the day that is the sort of figures that you would be looking at.
Click to expand...

Tony those figures are blown way out of proportion, what is he spending the £20 mil on the club for? The players? And I'm sure if a deal was struck with Higgs then the council would reduce their asking price of their share substantially.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #39
CCFCDan87 said:
Air of caution. We should be behind him. Fresh face fresh start.
Click to expand...

Once bitten, twice shy. Nothing wrong with being cautious. And actually Hoffman has said it all depends on where the golden share is, and will also be determined in whether they can get their hands on the whole of the Ricoh, so there's plenty to go wrong.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #40
Ccfcisparks said:
Tony those figures are blown way out of proportion, what is he spending the £20 mil on the club for? The players? And I'm sure if a deal was struck with Higgs then the council would reduce their asking price of their share substantially.
Click to expand...

How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #41
CCFCDan87 said:
Erm aren't we 60mill in debt anyway? I don't get this well what happens if it goes wrong? Surely anything is better than current situation
Click to expand...

We thought that before SISU and look at us now. We really do need to get this right!
 

Ccfcisparks

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #42
stupot07 said:
How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?
Click to expand...

Well I thought Stu if it was confirmed that the golden share was in CCFC Limited he could pick it up for next to nothing leaving Sisu the Assets in Holdings? Which is the players isn't it?
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #43
Ccfcisparks said:
Well I thought Stu if it was confirmed that the golden share was in CCFC Limited he could pick it up for next to nothing leaving Sisu the Assets in Holdings? Which is the players isn't it?
Click to expand...

Got no idea....but hasn't the part that got the golden share also have £60m debt?

To be honest I don't think we will really know until they report back to court in 5 weeks time.
 
R

rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #44
I thought if you bought a business in administration you paid a lot less. Hopefully they would be getting hold of ccfc ltd this time genuinly with no debt and run correctly we shouldn't be in any debt.
 
R

rupert_bear

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #45
stupot07 said:
How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?
Click to expand...
There may be a deal to be done with sisu as an investor, wouldn't be surprised
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #46
rupert_bear said:
I thought if you bought a business in administration you paid a lot less. Hopefully they would be getting hold of ccfc ltd this time genuinly with no debt and run correctly we shouldn't be in any debt.
Click to expand...

£20m is a lot less than £60m
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #47
rupert_bear said:
I thought if you bought a business in administration you paid a lot less. Hopefully they would be getting hold of ccfc ltd this time genuinly with no debt and run correctly we shouldn't be in any debt.
Click to expand...

That's not the point. The business will need to acquire some form of stadium ownership and that requires loans and debt. That debt will then be out against the weakest equity, namely the football club.

If all goes well that's not an issue.

However unless the current owners agree to the terms set out next season we will start on between negative 15 to 30 points.
 

Flying Fokker

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #48
stupot07 said:
And saddle us with debt?
Click to expand...

I see what you've done with that.
 
C

CCFCDan87

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #49
Nonleagueherewecome said:
We thought that before SISU and look at us now. We really do need to get this right!
Click to expand...
SISU came at the last hour, PH4 has been twice, met fans and says nothing done till its done. For me he's doing it the right way. Showing more common sense then SISU did when coming to the rescue. Least we know who he is unlike SISU n Joy Seppla
 
T

TurkeyTrot

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #50
Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #51
CCFCDan87 said:
SISU came at the last hour, PH4 has been twice, met fans and says nothing done till its done. For me he's doing it the right way. Showing more common sense then SISU did when coming to the rescue. Least we know who he is unlike SISU n Joy Seppla
Click to expand...

Well that's true enough; he seems to understand the concept of Hearts & Minds, whereas SISU have treated us as if we don't possess them.
 
Last edited: Apr 6, 2013
C

CCFCDan87

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #52
Nonleagueherewecome said:
Well that's true enough; he seems to understand the concept of Hearts & Minds, whereas SISU have treated us as we don't possess them.
Click to expand...

That's the thing mate, to this date we are literally none the wiser who they are and who she is. PH4 has interacted more with fans already than she has since day 1. Speaks volumes to me. I would like Waggott to stay on from current regime however
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #53
TurkeyTrot said:
Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.
Click to expand...

I really don't think most City fans expect us to spend excessively, we just want honesty and to punch our weight. A big part of that weight is our Academy, which provides quality players on reasonable wages. I'd argue that we signed far too many players last Summer, albeit free transfers, possibly as a consequence of such under-investment in the squad the season before. The present squad is already too bulky and under-performing at this level in terms of outlay on wages. In an ideal world we would cut a lot of deadwood this close season (which administration might actually help us to do rather than be wasteful) and if taken over, then target 3 or 4 quality signings.
 
A

Ashdown1

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #54
TurkeyTrot said:
Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.
Click to expand...

I and thousands of others I am sure just want stability, they just want owners that are not trying to pull a major profit and walk away with a fistful of dollars. I want CCFC to compete according to our level of revenue generation, for the fans pound to count for something, I want our local authorities, Charities and foreign investors to be pulling on the same rope without deep suspicion and division.
 
S

Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #55
Anything has to be better than where we are now?
 
T

thegameaintstraight

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #56
Grendel;417153However unless the current owners agree to the terms set out next season we will start on between negative 15 to 30 points.[/QUOTE said:
I wonder what not having negative 30 points is worth to a new ownwer. Might this be part of SISU's plan to extract maximum £ ?
Just a thought.
Click to expand...
 
Last edited: Apr 6, 2013
L

LarryGrayson

Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #57
Steve.B50 said:
Anything has to be better than where we are now?
Click to expand...

we said that when robinson left
 
A

Ashdown1

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #58
I wouldn't put anything past these vile cretins, if they can decrease their losses in any way they will and that wouldn't matter a jot to them how they left the club. These bastards haven't finished with their revenge yet !!
 
S

Steve.B50

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #59
But the debt is what they say it is, not whats fact.
I sat at a forum last year at a club with Fisher saying we are debt free.
 

coundonskyblue

New Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #60
TurkeyTrot said:
Do you not think we as fans must shoulder some of the blame? If all this comes off will there be a number of fans wanting millions spent on new players to effectively buy our way to the prem and saddle ourselves with debt we can't afford. I hope who or whatever form CCFC comes out the other side of this is allowed to build slowly and make the growth sustainable.
I look at Leicester and shudder at the money they have spent to possibly still be in the Championship next season.
Click to expand...

I don't want millions spent, slow and steady is the way to move forward.

I would just be happy with a board that didn't sell our best players the second a bid comes in for them.

The club would be in a much different situation now had Sisu not sold a lot of the young players over the last 5 years (most of whom cost the club next to nothing).
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #61
coundonskyblue said:
I don't want millions spent, slow and steady is the way to move forward.

I would just be happy with a board that didn't sell our best players the second a bid comes in for them.

The club would be in a much different situation now had Sisu not sold a lot of the young players over the last 5 years (most of whom cost the club next to nothing).
Click to expand...

I don't even mind that up to a point-to quote a recent manager of ours, you have to "turn it over and freshen it up" a bit, which is what we didn't do in the relegation season. Signing 3 or 4 top L1-L2 players a season and sell one when he's "fattened" is the way to do it. But equally, there are players that we've been proactive to sell; possibly Juke, but certainly Turner, who had signed a new deal and was very happy at this club.
 

cloughie

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #62
Tonylinc said:
Yes it would Wingy. £20 mill for the club......£10 mill for the Higgs share......£40 mill for the coucil's share. I might have those figures the wrong way round but at the end of the day that is the sort of figures that you would be looking at.
Click to expand...

Now that has got me laughing
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #63
stupot07 said:
How much of the £60m do you think Sisu will be willing to write off?
Click to expand...

As they are in admin then they have to take the best deal that is given them by the receiver so it could be 10p or even 1p for every pound then that is all they get. the Higgs trust half I read somewhere is £4Mil to keep the club going they are looking at developing the surrounding area that would then bring in more money. hotels more conferences etc
 
L

LarryGrayson

Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #64
letsallsingtogether said:
As they are in admin then they have to take the best deal that is given them by the receiver so it could be 10p or even 1p for every pound then that is all they get.
Click to expand...

the best deal might be from themselves
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #65
AS for Joe and the Hoff I believe that they have looked into this more thoroughly this time as last time it was done in days and they all did what they believed was best,
But as we have found out SISU lied from the off
 

Paxman II

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #66
Wouldn't it be fun for the administrator to go to the largest debtor (SISU) and ask for 10p in the pound on this mysterious £60m that he talks about and yet we all have been led to understand is not in CCFC Ltd? Doubt they will accept that eh? Rather the PH4 group start talking with SISU and get something sorted now so the administrator can make a clear recommendation. There's a deal there somewhere for PH4 they just have to find it.
The administrator does not need 6 weeks to unravel the basics in front of him. he has to remain coherent, informative as the process moves along. he can't simply shut down.
 
G

georgehudson

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #67
end game, it would appear is JS vs PH4 or whoever,
i think i know what true Sky Blues would go for,
Mrs Justice Proudman might have a real effort to FIND THE TRUTH,
 

Nonleagueherewecome

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #68
georgehudson said:
end game, it would appear is JS vs PH4 or whoever,
i think i know what true Sky Blues would go for,
Mrs Justice Proudman might have a real effort to FIND THE TRUTH,
Click to expand...

I hope it isn't literally a physical fight, as I have a horrible feeling that Joy could batter him...
 
Q

quinn1971

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #69
Is it right that haskell met members of the trust today ? does anybody know what was discussed or is it hush hush at the minute.?
 

letsallsingtogether

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 6, 2013
  • #70
Can't see him telling them any more then we already know but I am sure it will all come out in due course it early yet
quinn1971 said:
Is it right that haskell met members of the trust today ? does anybody know what was discussed or is it hush hush at the minute.?
Click to expand...
 
Prev
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
Next
First Prev 2 of 3 Next Last
You must log in or register to reply here.

Users who are viewing this thread

Total: 5 (members: 0, guests: 5)
Share:
Facebook Twitter Reddit Pinterest Tumblr WhatsApp Email
  • Home
  • Forums
  • Coventry City Football Club
  • Coventry City General Chat
  • Default Style
  • Contact us
  • Terms and rules
  • Privacy policy
  • Help
  • Home
Community platform by XenForo® © 2010-2021 XenForo Ltd.
Menu
Log in

Register

  • Home
  • Forums
    • New posts
    • Search forums
  • What's new
    • New posts
    • Latest activity
  • Members
    • Current visitors
  • Donate to the Season Ticket Fund
X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?

X

Privacy & Transparency

We use cookies and similar technologies for the following purposes:

  • Personalized ads and content
  • Content measurement and audience insights

Do you accept cookies and these technologies?