Of course it does but do you seriously think is he is going to hold on for another year? This is his best time to get a move while his stock is high. Despite what he may or may not feel about Sporting, he would still be open to a move to the premier league if the opportunity came about. We need to get the most money we can and the figures posted right now are not the best we can acheive before we even enter July.I'm just trying to get across the point that Vik doesn't have to agree to go anywhere else so value is a more complex issue than many are imagining here. It wouldn't matter what your West Hams or whoever might hypothetically agree to pay. He might agree to talk terms with another party, he might be persuaded by his agent etc etc but he doesn't have to. The point is that any negotiation includes Vik too.
So, I may be totally wrong, but surely there is a minimum threshold through which Gyokeres moves on. Possibly contractual, but who knows on here? If he sells for more, then happy daysI don’t care where he goes, what country, what club etc. but they have to meet the minimum threshold for him. Gyokeres doesn’t have a right to dictate what that threshold is, which is exactly what I was getting at and DK has raised too.
You’ve distorted the water and gone for the emotional point scoring and comparing to employment which isn’t the case. He’s not an employee, he’s a commodity asset on a 3 year contract and if someone externally wants to end that contract and register him, they have to pay what we determine/the market demand for him. Gyokeres is being selfish (self centred) by only seeing that scenario by what’s best for himself.
Yes we sang his name and he was great on the pitch for us, doesn’t mean he’s got a free pass to dictate and disrespect.
I think it would be very damaging for both parties to end up in that situation. As far as I can tell Vik holds most of the cards - the club needs the money from the sale to rebuild the squad.Of course it does but do you seriously think is he is going to hold on for another year?
He would have to if the club does, that could cost him up to three-quarters of a million quid.Of course it does but do you seriously think is he is going to hold on for another year? This is his best time to get a move while his stock is high. Despite what he may or may not feel about Sporting, he would still be open to a move to the premier league if the opportunity came about. We need to get the most money we can and the figures posted right now are not the best we can acheive before we even enter July.
I think it would be very damaging for both parties to end up in that situation. As far as I can tell Vik holds most of the cards - the club needs the money from the sale to rebuild the squad.
Maybe we do but we dont need ANY money we need the RIGHT moneyI think it would be very damaging for both parties to end up in that situation. As far as I can tell Vik holds most of the cards - the club needs the money from the sale to rebuild the squad.
I wouldn't argue with that but he has to want to go to another bidder, be prepared to be rotated, sit out when he's a bit off the boil etc. I could quite understand it if that's not what he wants.I highly doubt we’d be playing hard ball if Sporting were the only party involved. £17m with bonuses and sell on fee is a good return, but not if there’s other offers to consider.
On of the other bidders will make it worth his whileI wouldn't argue with that but he has to want to go to another bidder, be prepared to be rotated, sit out when he's a bit off the boil etc. I could quite understand it if that's not what he wants.
Yes but you shut up and wait to hear what opportunities are on the table for you. It’s early days and we have only had one low offer that the general public knows about, yet him and his agent are in PR overdrive trying to guilt trip the owner and club.Self-serving? He's a footballer looking for the next move in his career, it can only be self-serving
Have we had an offer, who off ?Yes but you shut up and wait to hear what opportunities are on the table for you. It’s early days and we have only had one low offer that the general public knows about, yet him and his agent are in PR overdrive trying to guilt trip the owner and club.
The deal has to be good for all parties, not just Gyokeres and his agent. This shouldn’t be that hard for a sane adult to grasp.
The sooner we have the market value for him and he’s gone, the sooner we can concentrate on investing in the team and those that are still here.
Yes but you shut up and wait to hear what opportunities are on the table for you. It’s early days and we have only had one low offer that the general public knows about, yet him and his agent are in PR overdrive trying to guilt trip the owner and club.
The deal has to be good for all parties, not just Gyokeres and his agent. This shouldn’t be that hard for a sane adult to grasp.
The sooner we have the market value for him and he’s gone, the sooner we can concentrate on investing in the team and those that are still here.
Do you know we haven't had one? Do they ring you up and confirm all business to you before being made public?Have we had an offer, who off ?
why if it's early in the window and we re not happy with the offerTime to accept the offer he mine sent on sp sporting lets just invested the money get some decent players in
No idea. He'd be top dog, guaranteed game time, playing in Europe, etc etc but that's all guess work.
And they would also qualify for European football year on year with a decent chance of Champions League football. which he would not be getting at West Ham or Everton... If he was there for a few years he would also be more likely to actually win something. I know where I'd prefer to live as well.European football for 1
No internet to whinge on back then, but I wasn't alone in raising an eyebrow at the fees paid for Shaw, Daish, Salako-even Breen, who turned out better but was often not picked ahead of "Williams & Shaw" (even worse, played at RB-he says in Staying Up I think that he'd rather be shot than play there!) We over paid for Gary Mc who wasn't really brilliant until his last season with us. The fees for some of these players accelerated the crowd getting on their back, especially Salako.I agree with this but v few fans were complaining at the time.
He also brought Dublin, McAllister and Huckerby to the club in the first place (the last of which was sold to pave the way for Keane).
I only shut up because journalists don't tend to come and ask me whether anybody has offered me a job recently.
Some of those are harsh. Both Salako and Shaw were England internationals, Williams had a half decent rep, and McAllister had been star for Leeds when they won the league title.No internet to whinge on back then, but I wasn't alone in raising an eyebrow at the fees paid for Shaw, Daish, Salako-even Breen, who turned out better but was often not picked ahead of "Williams & Shaw" (even worse, played at RB-he says in Staying Up I think that he'd rather be shot than play there!) We over paid for Gary Mc who wasn't really brilliant until his last season with us. The fees for some of these players accelerated the crowd getting on their back, especially Salako.
I agree although the really bad signings were Daish and Jess. Shaw was sort of effective despite his clear lack of footballing skill.Salako was a really good player in his youth but had a very bad injury and wasn't nearly the same player when he came to us-just not the same pace. Also, yes an England International, but he was mostly picked in a tour of Asia and Australia and had 2 games against New Zealand and 1 against Malaysia. I think I remember him being really good against Australia on his debut.
Jess should have been a great signing, too. We wrecked his career!I agree although the really bad signings were Daish and Jess. Shaw was sort of effective despite his clear lack of footballing skill.
Yes, he had a good pedigree so wasn't in principle a bad signing.Jess should have been a great signing, too. We wrecked his career!
Salako was a decent player for Atkinson (was involved in an England squad while with us but not picked to play). He simply failed to understand what Strachan wanted him to do and their relationship fell apart. He’s mentioned it in several interviews.
Shaw was a masterful defender and ahead of his time with the dark arts of holding and shirt pulling. Had Coleman joined when he was supposed to they might have continued their excellent partnership from Palace.
Shaw was also one of the leading lights in the dressing room. He apparently told McSheffrey and Thompson that the aim of the first championship season was to finish in the top two or outside the top six since they needed to be in Ibiza in early May when the play offs were on!
Breen looked like Beckenbauer on his debut (0-0 at Sheffield Wednesday) but was never the same after that FA Cup game at Everton when he was apparently involved in a bust up with the mgmt over an unsanctioned house move from Leamington to London.
In fairness I’d take any of the three over Jean Guy-Walleme, Regis Genaux or Phillippe Clement.
Meanwhile Simon Haworth, Kyle Lightbourne, and Ysreal Zuniga suggest it wasn’t just in defence that Strachan had a blind spot.
Do you know we haven't had one? Do they ring you up and confirm all business to you before being made public?
Zuniga never got the chance he should have.
Zuniga was similar to Tavares now, one great goal but always looked a bit out of place, strange movement and positioningPossibly but it’s not like he set the world alight anywhere else was it? I suspect that given the chance he would have largely failed to take it.
There are far more serious cases of Strachan failing to get a tune out of proven players - John Aloisi, Viorel Moldovan and - dare I say it - Craig Bellamy.
We're you running for a bus when you typed this?Time to accept the offer he mine sent on sp sporting lets just invested the money get some decent players in
We're you running for a bus when you typed this?
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Tbf Moldovan was more that the increased competition meant Dublin and Huckerby were on fire. Wasn't Moldovan himself that was a particular failure, he just never got a look in.Possibly but it’s not like he set the world alight anywhere else was it? I suspect that given the chance he would have largely failed to take it.
There are far more serious cases of Strachan failing to get a tune out of proven players - John Aloisi, Viorel Moldovan and - dare I say it - Craig Bellamy.
And they would also qualify for European football year on year with a decent chance of Champions League football. which he would not be getting at West Ham or Everton... If he was there for a few years he would also be more likely to actually win something. I know where I'd prefer to live as well.
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