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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,711
djr8369 said:
The logic seems circular though. The championship is a money pit so owners need to fund to progress which makes the championship a money pit as other teams have wealthy owners.
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By all means lobby for change. But it is what it is for now.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,712
djr8369 said:
Most owners aren’t putting their own money in though are they (outside of football). The business cuts its cloth accordingly then the owner might raise finance. The fact this is expected in football is partly why it’s such a mess financially.
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Outside of football I’m not sure a situation like the Championship exists…
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,713
Sky Blue Pete said:
Why no signings then do you think??
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Da Silva?

Look at the rest of the Championship - it's not as everyone is leaving us behind in terms of numbers through the door. There's a multitude of reasons as to why we've not brought in more than 1.

Would I like 10 new signings today so they have more time to integrate and give MR time to judge his best 11? Sure.

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world but history has told us that MR and his team know what they're doing (overall).
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,714
shmmeee said:
By all means lobby for change. But it is what it is for now.
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I’m alright but maybe lobby DK to put more money in?
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,715
Skyblueweeman said:
Da Silva?

Look at the rest of the Championship - it's not as everyone is leaving us behind in terms of numbers through the door. There's a multitude of reasons as to why we've not brought in more than 1.

Would I like 10 new signings today so they have more time to integrate and give MR time to judge his best 11? Sure.

Unfortunately we don't live in a perfect world but history has told us that MR and his team know what they're doing (overall).
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You seem calm how many beds you booking for these away games?
 

duffer

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,716
Skyblueweeman said:
Doug doesn't stay in the same hotel as the team to be fair!
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More of an "Ibis" type of chap, I'd imagine.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,717
shmmeee said:
Outside of football I’m not sure a situation like the Championship exists…
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There’s plenty of businesses that lose money but yes not an entire industry that’s fucked.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,718
djr8369 said:
There’s plenty of businesses that lose money but yes not an entire industry that’s fucked.
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The closest is probably social media
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,719
shmmeee said:
The closest is probably social media
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Yeah not a bad shout.
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,720
Theres people genuinely believing we would get £15m or so of the Vik money to spend in the market.
 
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Tomh111

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,721
Grendel said:
Sorry this is nonsense

Anyone who buys a business really in any sector with growth ambitions will have a plan to provide funding to do so

In fact in kings initial comments were that the owners of Covcityco would provide that very funding

Supporter funds alone do not support football clubs

The club easily loses £90k every week. What you are suggesting is that if we. Any sake Gyokeres the club should reduce its staff and / or expect fans to cough up more while the owner contributes nothing

I think supporters have backed the club enough don’t you?

Even Sisu invested in hard cash around £20 million at the point of takeover
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I'm not arguing he shouldn't invest, but the idea that transfer fees shouldn't be used to mitigate losses is frankly, nonsense.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,722
djr8369 said:
Most owners aren’t putting their own money in though are they (outside of football). The business cuts its cloth accordingly then the owner might raise finance. The fact this is expected in football is partly why it’s such a mess financially.
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Are you suggesting that debt driven investment is more sustainable than (wealthy) owner driven?

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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,723
fernandopartridge said:
Are you suggesting that debt driven investment is more sustainable than (wealthy) owner driven?

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I’m not making a claim of what is more sustainable.
 
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robbiethemole

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,724
107 pages to finally get to the point...............................there are NO 'ITK's' on this board.

FFS just lets get to the end of the window and see what MR has done??
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,725
Grendel said:
Sorry this is nonsense

Anyone who buys a business really in any sector with growth ambitions will have a plan to provide funding to do so

In fact in kings initial comments were that the owners of Covcityco would provide that very funding

Supporter funds alone do not support football clubs

The club easily loses £90k every week. What you are suggesting is that if we. Any sake Gyokeres the club should reduce its staff and / or expect fans to cough up more while the owner contributes nothing

I think supporters have backed the club enough don’t you?

Even Sisu invested in hard cash around £20 million at the point of takeover
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The supporters would be backing the club even more if they could by buying merchandise if it was available, sometimes the club really doesn’t help itself
 
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Skyblueweeman

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,726
djr8369 said:
You seem calm how many beds you booking for these away games?
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One more than last season due to the increase in subs allowed.
 
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SBAndy

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,727
Tomh111 said:
I'm not arguing he shouldn't invest, but the idea that transfer fees shouldn't be used to mitigate losses is frankly, nonsense.
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Always think it’s best to look at players as ‘stock’. Bring it in, add value (via training, match experience, etc), look to sell at a profit.

I’ve no major issue if Doug doesn’t want to invest huge sums but at the very least he should be bridging the funding gap created pre-Vik sale. That was ultimately the undoing of SISU.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,728
Tomh111 said:
You're expecting an external party to indefinitely fund operating losses.

What happens if he runs out of money? What happens if he gets bored?
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You sell the players you otherwise wouldn't have been able to buy, and revert to where we are now or, hopefully, better than we are now as we'll have been on the side of economic growth as a result of that inward investment.
 
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Tomh111

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,729
Terry Gibson's perm said:
The supporters would be backing the club even more if they could by buying merchandise if it was available, sometimes the club really doesn’t help itself
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But if the club had signed a shirt sponsor at championship levels and then been promoted we would've been blasted as being amateur - Which I think we all know is the hold up with the kit?
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,730
Skyblueweeman said:
One more than last season due to the increase in subs allowed.
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Premier Inn with the meal deal?
 

Skyblueweeman

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,731
djr8369 said:
Premier Inn with the meal deal?
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You got it ;-)

To be fair, Premier Inn don't pay commission!
 
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mark82

Super Moderator
  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,732
Skyblueweeman said:
One more than last season due to the increase in subs allowed.
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2 more subs allowed?
 
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Speedie's Head

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,733
mark82 said:
2 more subs allowed?
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9 subs. Big advantage for the large squads
 
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Macca

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,734
Is he still bloody here
 
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higgs

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,735
Macca said:
Is he still bloody here
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Who boddy?

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Terry Gibson's perm

Well-Known Member
  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,736
Tomh111 said:
But if the club had signed a shirt sponsor at championship levels and then been promoted we would've been blasted as being amateur - Which I think we all know is the hold up with the kit?
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They can sell other items and be just looked at the kids section five items available.
 

clint van damme

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,737
TomRad85 said:
Hmmm you've heard something haven't you?

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Yes
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,738
clint van damme said:
Yes
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Is what you’ve heard a loan cos no way I believe were dropping £7m on a player
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,739
shmmeee said:
Is what you’ve heard a loan cos no way I believe were dropping £7m on a player
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Undisclosed?
 
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DrPoolittle

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,740
SBAndy said:
Always think it’s best to look at players as ‘stock’. Bring it in, add value (via training, match experience, etc), look to sell at a profit.

I’ve no major issue if Doug doesn’t want to invest huge sums but at the very least he should be bridging the funding gap created pre-Vik sale. That was ultimately the undoing of SISU.
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The undoing of SISU was their inability to communicate with the fans.

Ultimately, their model took us to within minutes of the EPL.
 
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Nobbie_67

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,741
DrPoolittle said:
The undoing of SISU was their inability to communicate with the fans.

Ultimately, their model took us to within minutes of the EPL.
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The only time I heard it referred to as EPL was when I lived in India. Happy memories!


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no_loyalty

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,742
shmmeee said:
Is what you’ve heard a loan cos no way I believe were dropping £7m on a player
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I wouldn’t have thought it would be a loan if he’s signing imminently, he would have been part of Everton’s 25 man PL squad surely?
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Jul 7, 2023
  • #3,743
Apparently to be confirmed today.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 7, 2023
  • #3,744
Kizz said:
Apparently to be confirmed today.
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Apparently?
 
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Fysnkysc

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  • Jul 7, 2023
  • #3,745
djr8369 said:
Apparently?
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Yes apparently .
 
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