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skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,641
Wait for it


UNDISCLOSED
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,642
Yorkshire SB said:
If that’s right, good deal.

It seems the club know more about negotiation than those who were desperate to sell to the first reported offer…

Here’s hoping we get at least half of that to reinvest in acquisitions over the next couple of years.
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With a percentage going to Brighton, some to cover running losses, some saved for same reason next year, infrastructure investment etc I think MR will be lucky to have a third of it to play with and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s far less than that. It’s possible DK will need to take money out to cover however he purchased the club.

Still, there will be enough to fix the broken window.
 
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ccfc1234

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,643
Yorkshire SB said:
If that’s right, good deal.

It seems the club know more about negotiation than those who were desperate to sell to the first reported offer…

Here’s hoping we get at least half of that to reinvest in acquisitions over the next couple of years.
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Where do you think the other half is going?
 

Perryccfc

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,644
skyblueeyesrevisited said:
Wait for it


UNDISCLOSED
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I’m pretty sure Portuguese clubs have to make the figures public via their FA. Sure I remember that being the case.
 

skyblueeyesrevisited

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,645
Perryccfc said:
I’m pretty sure Portuguese clubs have to make the figures public via their FA. Sure I remember that being the case.
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NÃO DIVULGADO
 
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Happy_Martian

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,646
Doesn't it give you a good feeling when our club start playing hardball over the sale of one of our assets ? Can't remember the last time this happened in our favour. Normally, it's been the buying club dictating to us and we'd have just bowed over to their minimum offer.

As said, if €24m is the final accepted offer, that would normally have been a bumper sum to rebuild the team. My only concern is that this protracted saga has been in the press so much, any player we approach to sign will have had their values doubled by the owning club, each looking for their own payday and knowing we've got the funds to play with.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,647
Happy_Martian said:
Doesn't it give you a good feeling when our club start playing hardball over the sale of one of our assets ? Can't remember the last time this happened in our favour. Normally, it's been the buying club dictating to us and we'd have just bowed over to their minimum offer.

As said, if €24m is the final accepted offer, that would normally have been a bumper sum to rebuild the team. My only concern is that this protracted saga has been in the press so much, any player we approach to sign will have had their values doubled by the owning club, each looking for their own payday and knowing we've got the funds to play with.
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I’m relaxed about how this will be viewed by players, most will recognise we’re not being unreasonable, especially as Sporting have just sold a couple of players for 60m ! …probably the bigger issue is the higher the fee, the more other clubs try to push up their prices when we come calling

Sporting/agent playing everything out in the media is poor form and surely they’ll be tapping up issues for them if they don’t do deal. For what it’s worth I’m still happy enough with anything around £18-19m with massive sell on (30%) if that’s on the table.
 
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robbiekeane

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,648
CCFCSteve said:
Sporting/agent playing everything out in the media is poor form
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I think they did a pretty good job actually
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,649
djr8369 said:
With a percentage going to Brighton, some to cover running losses, some saved for same reason next year, infrastructure investment etc I think MR will be lucky to have a third of it to play with and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s far less than that. It’s possible DK will need to take money out to cover however he purchased the club.

Still, there will be enough to fix the broken window.
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Possibly but if Doug wants to have a sustainable club for more than just the next couple of years he’ll need to invest in the play squad. As evidenced, that’s how you can actually make money.
 
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Yorkshire SB

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,650
ccfc1234 said:
Where do you think the other half is going?
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Well Brighton will take a cut and then there are a lot of other areas of the club requiring investment/mitigate losses, e.g player wages.
 
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CCFCSteve

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,651
robbiekeane said:
I think they did a pretty good job actually
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Didn’t say they hadnt but it’s tapping up and I’d imagine there will be issues if he doesn’t go there
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,652
We shouldn’t be funding operating losses with assets sales.
Absolutely worst way to run a business.

All of that money needs to be used on infrastructure or transfer fees. Nothing else.
 
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mark82

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,653
CCFCSteve said:
Didn’t say they hadnt but it’s tapping up and I’d imagine there will be issues if he doesn’t go there
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Happens all the time, just not normally to our players.
 
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Grendel

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,654
Happy_Martian said:
Doesn't it give you a good feeling when our club start playing hardball over the sale of one of our assets ? Can't remember the last time this happened in our favour. Normally, it's been the buying club dictating to us and we'd have just bowed over to their minimum offer.

As said, if €24m is the final accepted offer, that would normally have been a bumper sum to rebuild the team. My only concern is that this protracted saga has been in the press so much, any player we approach to sign will have had their values doubled by the owning club, each looking for their own payday and knowing we've got the funds to play with.
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It’s a comment on twitter - no one knows what the state of play is
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,655
Yorkshire SB said:
Possibly but if Doug wants to have a sustainable club for more than just the next couple of years he’ll need to invest in the play squad. As evidenced, that’s how you can actually make money.
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Of course but the reality is there are holes to plug in the day to day running costs and I’m sure there lots of further infrastructure improvement that MR would like.

Hopefully the season ticket sales go some way to covering the running costs but then we are hoping the wage budget rises to, so…
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,656
ccfc1234 said:
Where do you think the other half is going?
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Covering operating costs, Brighton's sell on clause and repaying the £2m+ EFL loan which I'd imagine hasn't been settled yet.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,657
bigfatronssba said:
We shouldn’t be funding operating losses with assets sales.
Absolutely worst way to run a business.

All of that money needs to be used on infrastructure or transfer fees. Nothing else.
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What should fund operating losses? Or should wage bill be cut?
 

Grendel

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,658
djr8369 said:
What should fund operating losses? Or should wage bill be cut?
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The owner should fund it
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,659
Theres no way we will get that amount hes only worth £5-10m
 

shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,660
djr8369 said:
What should fund operating losses? Or should wage bill be cut?
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The eejit who bought a Championship club. There’s no route to profitability here. You can contain losses and be sensible, but you will lose money until you exit the league.
 
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Sick Boy

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,661
djr8369 said:
With a percentage going to Brighton, some to cover running losses, some saved for same reason next year, infrastructure investment etc I think MR will be lucky to have a third of it to play with and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s far less than that. It’s possible DK will need to take money out to cover however he purchased the club.

Still, there will be enough to fix the broken window.
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Apparently it’s 10% of the fee.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,662
Grendel said:
The owner should fund it
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I think this is what I find bizarre about DK's rhetoric. He insists fans should be making more of a financial commitment to the club, yet as it stands doesn't appear overly willing to share in that commitment.

If indeed he's not, then I don't really understand what his purpose is as owner.
 
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TomRad85

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,663
shmmeee said:
The eejit who bought a Championship club. There’s no route to profitability here. You can contain losses and be sensible, but you will lose money until you exit the league.
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yeh this... the low expectations placed on our new owner do my head in.
 
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bigfatronssba

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,664
djr8369 said:
What should fund operating losses? Or should wage bill be cut?
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Well shouldn’t Doug have had a plan for that when buying the club?

How would the losses have been funded if Vik didn’t want to leave?
 
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shmmeee

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,665
TomRad85 said:
yeh this... the low expectations placed on our new owner do my head in.
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The problem with Sisu really was no plan at this level. L1/2 they could keep costs down and sell the odd player for a profit. PL they could maybe make it work due to the sheer amount of cash and commercial interest. In this division the average wage bill to be competitive is significantly more than the sum of TV and ticket sales. You have to be willing to either go big bang Forest style or set an acceptable level of losses you’ll fund with a set timescale.

I’m pretty sure King is the latter, everything seems set up for a five year push. The question is what level of budget is he willing to fund for those five years? He’s just about to be handed £18m or so as well.

I’d guess he’s got a number in his head he’s willing to let the club run up in debt in five years before trying to sell up.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,666
bigfatronssba said:
Well shouldn’t Doug have had a plan for that when buying the club?

How would the losses have been funded if Vik didn’t want to leave?
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Then I'd imagine Hamer would likely have been forced out the door.
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,667
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Grendel said:
The owner should fund it
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not going to happen it seems
 
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djr8369

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,668
bigfatronssba said:
Well shouldn’t Doug have had a plan for that when buying the club?

How would the losses have been funded if Vik didn’t want to leave?
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His plan seems to be increase revenue and presumably plug the holes with player sales as we have always done.
 

San Francisco

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,669
djr8369 said:
With a percentage going to Brighton, some to cover running losses, some saved for same reason next year, infrastructure investment etc I think MR will be lucky to have a third of it to play with and I wouldn’t be surprised if it’s far less than that. It’s possible DK will need to take money out to cover however he purchased the club.

Still, there will be enough to fix the broken window.
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Extremely likely IMO. King already told us he’s essentially unwilling to put his own money in. I don’t think he bought the club for the reasons most fans think, definitely some ulterior motive.
 
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SBT

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,670
San Francisco said:
Extremely likely IMO. King already told us he’s essentially unwilling to put his own money in. I don’t think he bought the club for the reasons most fans think, definitely some ulterior motive.
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Does he even have much of his own money to put in?
 

AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,671
San Francisco said:
Extremely likely IMO. King already told us he’s essentially unwilling to put his own money in. I don’t think he bought the club for the reasons most fans think, definitely some ulterior motive.
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Pretty sure he’s here to stabilise the club financially and infrastructure wise and then the club will sold on. He’s more hands on to get a job done that Sisu couldn’t. Just my hunch.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,672
djr8369 said:
His plan seems to be increase revenue and presumably plug the holes with player sales as we have always done.
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Plugging the holes with player sales is considerably more difficult at this level as fundamentally you have to have a consistently pipeline of talent which requires investment in the initial.

Baring in mind gap to bridge per season is also likely to be north of £5m.
 

San Francisco

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,673
SBT said:
Does he even have much of his own money to put in?
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Very doubtful.


AFCCOVENTRY said:
Pretty sure he’s here to stabilise the club financially and infrastructure wise and then the club will sold on. He’s more hands on to get a job done that Sisu couldn’t. Just my hunch.
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Agreed which is why the whole “3/5 seasons top 6 finish” is complete bollocks.
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,674
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
Then I'd imagine Hamer would likely have been forced out the door.
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What if he also didn’t want to go?
 

bigfatronssba

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  • Jul 6, 2023
  • #3,675
djr8369 said:
His plan seems to be increase revenue and presumably plug the holes with player sales as we have always done.
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Then what is the point of owning us?

Selling assets to fund losses just results in the club being worth less, and he won’t get his money back
 
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