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rob9872

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  • Today at 2:16 PM
  • #36
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How do they train if they're caged for that length of time?
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Because they're not. He has the same tired arguments year on year.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:17 PM
  • #37
Brighton Sky Blue said:
How do they train if they're caged for that length of time?
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They have an hour - or perhaps two - where they are then raced and trained - horses really just want to be out but they cannot as injuries can happen. Many even casual yards in winter force box rest to protect fields.

Competition yards are not for the feint hearted

There is no such thing as a "retired" horse. They are auctioned off to anyone who will take them and often are not suitable as they have not been trained for the situation they then end up in.

For the record the rest of the competition world - equestrian and dressage is no better.

Regarding the horse racing industry the focus is on the likes of Cheltenham but the small courses with awful conditions are even worse.

Race Horse Death Watch

www.horsedeathwatch.com
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:18 PM
  • #38
rob9872 said:
Because they're not. He has the same tired arguments year on year.
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How many horse yards have you actually been on?
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:21 PM
  • #39
Grendel said:
They have an hour - or perhaps two - where they are then raced and trained - horses really just want to be out but they cannot as injuries can happen. Many even casual yards in winter force box rest to protect fields.

Competition yards are not for the feint hearted

There is no such thing as a "retired" horse. They are auctioned off to anyone who will take them and often are not suitable as they have not been trained for the situation they then end up in.

For the record the rest of the competition world - equestrian and dressage is no better.

Regarding the horse racing industry the focus is on the likes of Cheltenham but the small courses with awful conditions are even worse.

Race Horse Death Watch

www.horsedeathwatch.com
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Where do you get the data on them being caged from?
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:21 PM
  • #40
Brighton Sky Blue said:
We had the Cheltenham races on the telly last week, watching the jockeys whip the daylights out of those horses towards the end would fit the bill of 'appalling treatment' for me.
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Tbh I'm not against banning whipping. If it was all out then there is a level playing field, although often they don't actually touch them and are only showing it, but remove it completely and there can be no arguments.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:22 PM
  • #41
Grendel said:
How many horse yards have you actually been on?
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None, but as close family have part ownership in some and extended family work in two different yards, then I'd take their word for it over yours.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:23 PM
  • #42
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Where do you get the data on them being caged from?
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When I say caged I mean stabled. Robs pro link even admits it. They can of course live like that but the notion its in the interest of the horses and thats good welfare is nonsense. Its to prevent injuries in fields which occur regualrly
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:25 PM
  • #43
rob9872 said:
None, but as close family have part ownership in some and extended family work in two different yards, then I'd take their word for it over yours.
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Well they have a vested interest

Race Horse Death Watch

www.horsedeathwatch.com
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:26 PM
  • #44
Grendel said:

Race Horse Death Watch

www.horsedeathwatch.com
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Even on that, as harrowing as it may be, 15% of horses currently in training and over 20 years. What answers do you have on supporting the 18-20,000 if you want to stop it? Where are they going when people stop paying for them? One big cull?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:28 PM
  • #45
rob9872 said:
Even on that, as harrowing as it may be, 15% of horses currently in training and over 20 years. What answers do you have on supporting the 18-20,000 if you want to stop it? Where are they going when people stop paying for them? One big cull?
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I assume you - like me - wouldn't care if the jockeys die in these number?
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:30 PM
  • #46
Oh and the 20,000 horses racing is a deception

How Many Years Can a Horse Race? Understanding Racehorse Longevity

Horse racing longevity | Horise – Explore detailed horse racing data, odds & results.
www.horise.com

Most are finished ar 6 or 7 - many younger and are then auctioned to unsuitable homes or destroyed
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:31 PM
  • #47
Grendel said:
I assume you - like me - wouldn't care if the jockeys die in these number?
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Yes I would. I view human life as more valuable than animals. That doesn't mean I dislike animals, far from it. They are generally horse lovers and been brought up around it, but equally were already living a life. Racehorses without horse racing wouldn't even be born.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:34 PM
  • #48
Grendel said:
Oh and the 20,000 horses racing is a deception

How Many Years Can a Horse Race? Understanding Racehorse Longevity

Horse racing longevity | Horise – Explore detailed horse racing data, odds & results.
www.horise.com

Most are finished ar 6 or 7 - many younger and are then auctioned to unsuitable homes or destroyed
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It's certainly not a deception unless you believe the same few hundred horses are running every week. It has declined in recent years, but even on the Vet desk they have it as 14,000 with the most current data.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:35 PM
  • #49

The 19 Statistics on How Many Horses There Are in the UK​

  1. As of 2019, there are 847,000 horses in the UK
  2. 374,000 households in the UK own at least one horse
  3. Horse-owners represent only 0.3% of all households in the UK
  4. Around 14,000 of the horses living in Britain in the UK are currently in training
  5. The average age of a horse residing in the UK is 13 years old
  6. 10,353 horse races were held in the UK by the British Horseracing Authority in 2021
  7. The average age of solo racehorse owners in the UK is 59.9 years
  8. There are 1.8 million regular riders in the UK
  9. Of the regular riders, the average rider rides 3.5 times a week in the UK
  10. The total equestrian sector in the UK is worth £4.7 billion
  11. Since 2010, 4429 road traffic incidents were reported to the British Horse Society
  12. From 2010 to 2022, there have been 43 horse-related human deaths reported to the BHS
  13. In the same time frame, 315 horse deaths have been reported to the BHS
  14. For a human fatality on the road, the total cost is around £1.8 million
  15. This figure is only £1,000 for a horse fatality
  16. 47.7% of horse owners concerned about their horses health said they were experienced owners
  17. 44.6% of owners surveyed described themselves as competing amateurs
  18. There are 600 reported outbreaks of strangles every year in the UK
  19. Between 2015 and 2019, 1617 cases of equine strangles were identified through laboratory testing

In fact looking at the vet statistics, there are far more horse deaths outside of racing and some of them very disturbing.
 

rob9872

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  • Today at 2:37 PM
  • #50
Right, I'm working. Please carry on amongst yourselves!
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:39 PM
  • #51
rob9872 said:
Yes I would. I view human life as more valuable than animals. That doesn't mean I dislike animals, far from it. They are generally horse lovers and been brought up around it, but equally were already living a life. Racehorses without horse racing wouldn't even be born.
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Horse lovers - lol - they are generally cruel greedy and thick as shit.

What a dumb argument - they wouldn't be born. Lets get more Bull fighting, lets get bear baiting back, animals in Circuses - actually lets get human slavery back - I mean otherwise those slaves would not be born.
 

Grendel

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  • Today at 2:42 PM
  • #52
rob9872 said:
It's certainly not a deception unless you believe the same few hundred horses are running every week. It has declined in recent years, but even on the Vet desk they have it as 14,000 with the most current data.
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Most end up dumped on the scrapheap - thats the issue - once they are not any use thay are dumped and more are bred
 

Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Today at 2:46 PM
  • #53
Grendel said:
Horse lovers - lol - they are generally cruel greedy and thick as shit.

What a dumb argument - they wouldn't be born. Lets get more Bull fighting, lets get bear baiting back, animals in Circuses - actually lets get human slavery back - I mean otherwise those slaves would not be born.
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Maybe even bring back gladiatorial combat
 
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CovValleyBoy

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  • Today at 2:50 PM
  • #54
rob9872 said:
Right, I'm working. Please carry on amongst yourselves!
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Good lad. If you ain't got the work ethic life's tough.
 
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