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  • Start date Apr 25, 2022
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Ian1779

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #36
The first thing I want to hear from the Trust is the unequivocal condemnation of Wasps presence in the city.
Once that is done we can start to listen to the other stuff they may have to say.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #37
Ian1779 said:
The first thing I want to hear from the Trust is the unequivocal condemnation of Wasps presence in the city.
Once that is done we can start to listen to the other stuff they may have to say.
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Not sure that’s going to happen any time soon
 

fernandopartridge

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #38
Sky Blue Pete said:
Not sure that’s going to happen any time soon
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Is Jan going to come crawling back or is he still going to watch Wasps?
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #39
slowpoke said:
I know trusts especially ours aren’t the most popular and I personally don’t get involved in trust criticism but I’d think there’s a case for others who wish to to get on the trust board, attend their meetings etc, not a closed shop is it ? Surely better to do that than snipe from on here.
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if trusts are to play any sort of formalised role then the way trusts currently operate needs to be looked out. I can't imagine ours is much different to any others and I wouldn't want them in anyway involved in running the club.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #40
chiefdave said:
if trusts are to play any sort of formalised role then the way trusts currently operate needs to be looked out. I can't imagine ours is much different to any others and I wouldn't want them in anyway involved in running the club.
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I very much doubt it would be in a formal capacity as clubs wouldn't allow it.

It's a ridiculous suggestion and one that would probably do more harm than good.
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #41
I know we all say silly things and some on the trust are no different to any of us! Most are good fans and it’s clear in my experience that wasps representatives are far far better at pr than ccc or ccfc. Or shmoozing and making people feel important and included and valued. Ccc get 1/10 and that’s generous, ccfc 5-6/10 but wasps especially no it’s me Vaughan 8-9-10. It’s hard to remember who one supports and how things need to function
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #42
chiefdave said:
if trusts are to play any sort of formalised role then the way trusts currently operate needs to be looked out. I can't imagine ours is much different to any others and I wouldn't want them in anyway involved in running the club.
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Sounds like the individuals rather than the trust? I agree though and it was clear the trust recognised they needed to up their game to be able to fulfil any role envisaged by the white paper
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #43
Sky Blue Pete said:
Sounds like the individuals rather than the trust? I agree though and it was clear the trust recognised they needed to up their game to be able to fulfil any role envisaged by the white paper
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It would likely be that a recommendation will be issued that each club should look to appoint a fan representative onto their board.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #44
KenilworthSkyBlue said:
It would likely be that a recommendation will be issued that each club should look to appoint a fan representative onto their board.
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What a waste of time
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #45
Grendel said:
What a waste of time
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Exactly. It'd be pointless.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #46
2bh when it inevitably goes Tits up - SISU could just blame the fan rep for vetoing anything. On top of that we’d know who was actually on the board and all of our vitriol could then go against the trust.

imagine them trying to defend an increase in rent at the Ricoh
 

Sky Blue Harry H

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #47
ST holder, and have done plenty of away games, but family commitments have restricted away days recently. I'd therefore be over the moon if ifollow is allowed for Sat away days, as I'll buy every one going - a) to watch the games and b) to help the club financially. I suspect there will be a few in similar positions, and can't really see the club being adversely affected in terms of finance (providing streaming issues can be dealt with)
 
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FulltimeWum

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #48
iFollow is not a suitable level of service.

There's better quality YouTube streams of level crossings.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #49
My overriding feeling is that I think it’s a good idea to have a fans voice on the board but I’m not sure of how that person would wield any influence
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #50
Sky Blue Pete said:
My overriding feeling is that I think it’s a good idea to have a fans voice on the board but I’m not sure of how that person would wield any influence
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They wouldn't.
 

shepardo01

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #51
Who would regulate the supporters trusts to ensure that they are working in the interests of the football club, not those of individuals with their own agendas.... if the trusts are the only avenue for supplying "fans" onto club boards???......
God help us if it is the FSA!!!......
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #52
shepardo01 said:
Who would regulate the supporters trusts to ensure that they are working in the interests of the football club, not those of individuals with their own agendas.... if the trusts are the only avenue for supplying "fans" onto club boards???......
God help us if it is the FSA!!!......
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Yep it’s the fsa
 
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shepardo01

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #53
Sky Blue Pete said:
Yep it’s the fsa
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Thought as much.... so we all know the issue that brings up!
 

Colin Steins Smile

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #54
The Tracy Crouch report genuinely looks a good one!
Whilst I am not a fan of this shambles of a government, I feel that publishing a white paper for this is a really good move and well done.
The most important element in Tracy's report is the creation of an independent regulator for the sport. The Premier League hate this idea [especially the dirty 6 who initially backed the Super league] and are trying to get government to ditch this idea.....so well done to the DCMS for not caving in the PL, so far.
I hope the rest of the MP's don't cave in to pressure from rich PL owners
 
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Legia Sky Blue

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #55
While the idea of a fan's representative on the board sounds reasonable in theory, in reality it is completely unworkable. Who will be that fan, and how would he be selected? Look at the disagreements we have here about the most miniscule of issues, and it is clear that one person cannot represent the views of our supporters, but rather their own views only. That fan would inevitably get ideas above his staton, and its likely the club would butter him up with feebies so that he couldn't be too critical of them, and would inevitably compromise his position if he did.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #56
Sky Blue Pete said:
I know we all say silly things and some on the trust are no different to any of us! Most are good fans and it’s clear in my experience that wasps representatives are far far better at pr than ccc or ccfc. Or shmoozing and making people feel important and included and valued. Ccc get 1/10 and that’s generous, ccfc 5-6/10 but wasps especially no it’s me Vaughan 8-9-10. It’s hard to remember who one supports and how things need to function
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I don't think anybody here has tried to doxx and ruin careers of other posters like the trust did with me.

They can get to fuck, if any of the slimy pricks get any power in the club I'm out.
 
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KenilworthSkyBlue

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #57
Legia Sky Blue said:
While the idea of a fan's representative on the board sounds reasonable in theory, in reality it is completely unworkable. Who will be that fan, and how would he be selected? Look at the disagreements we have here about the most miniscule of issues, and it is clear that one person cannot represent the views of our supporters, but rather their own views only. That fan would inevitably get ideas above his staton, and its likely the club would butter him up with feebies so that he couldn't be too critical of them, and would inevitably compromise his position if he did.
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I think this is a pretty good point actually and one I thought of earlier today. It's pretty obvious any fan appointed to the board would eventually turn into a yes man (or woman).

Couple that with a complete lack of power and it's a completely fruitless exercise and would add no value to the fanbase or the club.

It'd simply become a ticked box.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #58
Liquid Gold said:
I don't think anybody here has tried to doxx and ruin careers of other posters like the trust did with me.

They can get to fuck, if any of the slimy pricks get any power in the club I'm out.
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What happened lg?
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #59
Sky Blue Pete said:
What happened lg?
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this has all been fairly well documented - in fact my “treatment” started with my posts about dodgy Rochdale Roger - the farce of CJ trying to claim he didn’t know him was cringe
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #60
Sky Blue Pete said:
What happened lg?
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Kalns managed to work out who I was from twitter and then sent untrue allegations to my work.

I'm not the only one.
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #61
Liquid Gold said:
Kalns managed to work out who I was from twitter and then sent untrue allegations to my work.

I'm not the only one.
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Lets also be honest. Kalns was just a thick fucker who did what others told him.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #62
Grendel said:
Lets also be honest. Kalns was just a thick fucker who did what others told him.
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For sure, the guy was/is mentally ill. I hope he got the help he needed.

Everybody involved at the time was swimming in it including people that weren't active but did nothing to stop it (CJ).

Like I said, the slimy fuckers can fuck off.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #63
Liquid Gold said:
For sure, the guy was/is mentally ill. I hope he got the help he needed.

Everybody involved at the time was swimming in it including people that weren't active but did nothing to stop it (CJ).

Like I said, the slimy fuckers can fuck off.
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CJ was culpable for sure. They even had Gilbert making a twat of himself as well
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #64
Grendel said:
CJ was culpable for sure. They even had Gilbert making a twat of himself as well
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I remember Gilbert shouting to his followers about this site because of the hot women thread (which is pretty outdated and cringe) while saying fuck all about the season ticket fund as it was a great way to try and discredit dissenting voices.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #65
Liquid Gold said:
I remember Gilbert shouting to his followers about this site because of the hot women thread (which is pretty outdated and cringe) while saying fuck all about the season ticket fund as it was a great way to try and discredit dissenting voices.
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On twitter he started replying to me by my real name. I did point out it’s the most investigative journalism in his life but the fact he was told who I was by some sad loner living at 359 Alderman’s Green road wasn’t exactly Roger Cook style of journalism

CJ started stalking me on LinkedIn as he claimed he thought I build work for him teaching dance to primary school children

Pathetic just man up and say they think I’m a wanker
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #66
Grendel said:
Pathetic just man up and say they think I’m a wanker
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It's easy enough for the rest of us
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #67
Liquid Gold said:
It's easy enough for the rest of us
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CJ is so duplicitous
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #68
Grendel said:
this has all been fairly well documented - in fact my “treatment” started with my posts about dodgy Rochdale Roger - the farce of CJ trying to claim he didn’t know him was cringe
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Id seen your one grendel. Don’t be defensive I’m just asking a question I’m not doubting lg
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #69
Cj and Simon Gilbert have always been great with me. It’s a shame that people behave so duplicitously
 

chiefdave

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  • Apr 25, 2022
  • #70
Liquid Gold said:
I'm not the only one.
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I had weird we know who you are messages on Facebook referencing posts on this forum. Didn't really think much of it until I found out other people, whose views didn't line up with the trust, were getting similar.
 
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