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Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

Looks like big changes ahead and a much bigger role for fans trusts including our own

Government takes next steps towards major reform of English men's football

The government has backed the key recommendations made by Tracey Crouch in her fan-led review of mens football in England; reforms to include the introduction of an independent regulator and greater powers for fans in the running of clubs; Premier League hits out at plans for regulator

www.skysports.com

robbiekeane · Apr 25, 2022

Just read that article and it’s basically the same paragraph rewritten about 20 times

Whole load of nothing really, lip service

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

robbiekeane said:
Just read that article and it’s basically the same paragraph rewritten about 20 times

Whole load of nothing really, lip service

The trust meeting I went to was very interesting. The fans network are expecting significant changes and the trusts including ours are expecting to be the vehicles to enact the fans part of them. All fans need to understand the proposals and seek to ensure all fans are included not just a small percentage

fernandopartridge · Apr 25, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
Looks like big changes ahead and a much bigger role for fans trusts including our own

Government takes next steps towards major reform of English men's football

The government has backed the key recommendations made by Tracey Crouch in her fan-led review of mens football in England; reforms to include the introduction of an independent regulator and greater powers for fans in the running of clubs; Premier League hits out at plans for regulator

www.skysports.com

It doesn't address the fundamental underlying problem.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
The trust meeting I went to was very interesting. The fans network are expecting significant changes and the trusts including ours are expecting to be the vehicles to enact the fans part of them. All fans need to understand the proposals and seek to ensure all fans are included not just a small percentage

I think it’s scary rather than funny. Decisions are taken by those in the room and whilst some have the clubs interests at heart there’s one who I don’t think does leading all this stuff centrally

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
It doesn't address the fundamental underlying problem.

What’s that?

HuckerbyDublinWhelan · Apr 25, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think it’s scary rather than funny. Decisions are taken by those in the room and whilst some have the clubs interests at heart there’s one who I don’t think does leading all this stuff centrally

Who’s that then? Are they looking to poll the members by more means than who’s in the Albany on a Monday night?

fernandopartridge · Apr 25, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s that?

There is no point regulating in 'financial sustainability' where 20 clubs + another half a dozen or so are in receipt of multimillions of TV money just for being or having recently been in the top flight. It is not a level playing field.

As for the 'fit and proper' test, it's always been pie in the sky that it would catch out so-called 'rogue' owners.

KenilworthSkyBlue · Apr 25, 2022

I'm all for change but there's a few eyebrow raisers in there.

Namely the 'integrity test' being one and I'm equally wary about the notion of giving fans an increased say on the day to day running of their club.

Grendel · Apr 25, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
I think it’s scary rather than funny. Decisions are taken by those in the room and whilst some have the clubs interests at heart there’s one who I don’t think does leading all this stuff centrally

im laughing as I assume Rog The Dodge is our rep still

fernandopartridge · Apr 25, 2022

Grendel said:
im laughing as I assume Rog The Dodge is our rep still

It's interesting really, presumably you'd expect persons on a Trust board to go through their own fit and proper test if they are to have a say in the running of a club

Frostie · Apr 25, 2022

Sky Blue Pete said:
The trust meeting I went to was very interesting. The fans network are expecting significant changes and the trusts including ours are expecting to be the vehicles to enact the fans part of them. All fans need to understand the proposals and seek to ensure all fans are included not just a small percentage

Good god.

fernandopartridge · Apr 25, 2022

Frostie said:
Good god.

I know the way this will go. Fans Trust has say in club, club goes bust, government says "Not our problem, you got what you wanted".

slowpoke · Apr 25, 2022

I know trusts especially ours aren’t the most popular and I personally don’t get involved in trust criticism but I’d think there’s a case for others who wish to to get on the trust board, attend their meetings etc, not a closed shop is it ? Surely better to do that than snipe from on here.

Ian1779 · Apr 25, 2022

slowpoke said:
I know trusts especially ours aren’t the most popular and I personally don’t get involved in trust criticism but I’d think there’s a case for others who wish to to get on the trust board, attend their meetings etc, not a closed shop is it ? Surely better to do that than snipe from on here.

I think that a supporters trust that aligns its ‘values’ with a local council or London rugby club is not one that represents the fan base.
Things may well be different but that where it was a few years ago.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

Grendel said:
im laughing as I assume Rog The Dodge is our rep still

Yep that is funny

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

Frostie said:
Good god.

I know

robbiekeane · Apr 25, 2022

The irony around ownership is hilarious

What does “fit and proper” mean? Clearly it doesn’t mean owners who try to minimise losses or run the club as self sustaining as possible. That’s what we’ve got and everyone fucking hates them.

So actually by fit and proper people mean someone ready to throw a load of money at a club and never see it again. But at the same time this whole thing is ran on the pretence of financial sustainability and responsibility.

laughable

Frostie · Apr 25, 2022

Ian1779 said:
I think that a supporters trust that aligns its ‘values’ with a local council or London rugby club is not one that represents the fan base.
Things may well be different but that where it was a few years ago.

And it's still the same people pulling the strings now.

rob9872 · Apr 25, 2022

Ian1779 said:
I think that a supporters trust that aligns its ‘values’ with a local council or London rugby club is not one that represents the fan base.
Things may well be different but that where it was a few years ago.

You only have to mention the word Government and we get Ian out of Off Topic and onto the CCFC board, but he's 100% bang on here

slowpoke · Apr 25, 2022

Would sisu be deemed as “fit and proper”

rob9872 · Apr 25, 2022

slowpoke said:
I know trusts especially ours aren’t the most popular and I personally don’t get involved in trust criticism but I’d think there’s a case for others who wish to to get on the trust board, attend their meetings etc, not a closed shop is it ? Surely better to do that than snipe from on here.

Nah they just need closing down. Not fit for purpose and rotten to the core.

rob9872 · Apr 25, 2022

robbiekeane said:
The irony around ownership is hilarious

What does “fit and proper” mean? Clearly it doesn’t mean owners who try to minimise losses or run the club as self sustaining as possible. That’s what we’ve got and everyone fucking hates them.

So actually by fit and proper people mean someone ready to throw a load of money at a club and never see it again. But at the same time this whole thing is ran on the pretence of financial sustainability and responsibility.

laughable

Being self sustainable is fine and right. I don't hate them for that. I do hate them for the years of lies and false dawns and twice moving us away from our City. The problem is here that they're not the only wankers in our scenario and the Council, Wasps and EFL are also a waste of time.

With regards funding unless we get some dodgy oil money, we may as well stick with what we've got as I don't see a queue of wealthy backers looking to take over.

slowpoke · Apr 25, 2022

rob9872 said:
Nah they just need closing down. Not fit for purpose and rotten to the core.

We’ll that won’t happen will it so the answer has to be if you can’t beat them join them surely.

rob9872 · Apr 25, 2022

slowpoke said:
We’ll that won’t happen will it so the answer has to be if you can’t beat them join then surely.

Tbh I'd rather shit in my hands and clap

SlowerThanPlatt · Apr 25, 2022

slowpoke said:
Would sisu be deemed as “fit and proper”

Yes

slowpoke · Apr 25, 2022

SlowerThanPlatt said:
Yes

They probably would at the time they bought us but with their track record of administrations, ground hopping, delays over the years in filing their accounts would they now

shmmeee · Apr 25, 2022

slowpoke said:
I know trusts especially ours aren’t the most popular and I personally don’t get involved in trust criticism but I’d think there’s a case for others who wish to to get on the trust board, attend their meetings etc, not a closed shop is it ? Surely better to do that than snipe from on here.

Sky Blue Pete · Apr 25, 2022

HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Who’s that then? Are they looking to poll the members by more means than who’s in the Albany on a Monday night?

They’d have to

AndreasB · Apr 25, 2022

Fully expect the Trust to be chiming in with their full throated support of this and their willingness to become part of it. Worth keeping an eye on their activity as they will claim to be in the pole position to get involved.
This despite their low profile at the moment, continued shambles of their boilerplate website (which no longer lists the members of the Trust board) Would seriously advise as many people as possible to vote on any of their proposals and stand for their Board -or they could find themselves represented by this nameless bunch - especially as they still claim 2300 members on their website- Im sure many of us are part of that number.

shmmeee · Apr 25, 2022

AndreasB said:
Fully expect the Trust to be chiming in with their full throated support of this and their willingness to become part of it. Worth keeping an eye on their activity as they will claim to be in the pole position to get involved.
This despite their low profile at the moment, continued shambles of their boilerplate website (which no longer lists the members of the Trust board) Would seriously advise as many people as possible to vote on any of their proposals and stand for their Board -or they could find themselves represented by this nameless bunch - especially as they still claim 2300 members on their website- Im sure many of us are part of that number.

Will you be standing, Andreas?

Grendel · Apr 25, 2022

shmmeee said:
Will you be standing, Andreas?

Regarding the FSA which really is the influencer here Rochdale Roger has a couple of years still to go

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Dit domein kan te koop zijn!

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AndreasB · Apr 25, 2022

Good God , no, I would be terrible, but at least I know that. I think there are a number of people on this forum who would be excellent and would support though. Certainly will attend and vote at any meetings etc.

shmmeee said:
Will you be standing, Andreas?

Frostie · Apr 25, 2022

slowpoke said:
Would sisu be deemed as “fit and proper”

Why wouldn't they?

Johhny Blue · Apr 25, 2022

fernandopartridge said:
It doesn't address the fundamental underlying problem.

Shipley?

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