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SBT

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  • Thursday at 11:47 AM
  • #36
shmmeee said:
What is 2.0? You’re overthinking things. We should attract the best players we can.
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2.0 is (almost certainly) a Premier League team.

History shows that promoted teams who stack their squad with top Championship players rather than genuine PL-calibre talent don’t fare well, hence why talk of Dan Neil etc gives me pause
 

shmmeee

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  • Thursday at 11:54 AM
  • #37
SBT said:
2.0 is (almost certainly) a Premier League team.

History shows that promoted teams who stack their squad with top Championship players rather than genuine PL-calibre talent don’t fare well, hence why talk of Dan Neil etc gives me pause
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One player is “stack[ing]” now?

Id hope we’ve got a player we could attract who has a chance of making the step up in our sights or is once again question what Austin does with his days.

We could do a Le Fee type deal, or find a younger player from abroad. I doubt every player we sign in the summer will be a £20m+ player
 

shmmeee

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  • Thursday at 11:55 AM
  • #38
Also we can just sell/loan out players. Even if we lose say £5m on the fee it’s probably worth it and that’s quite unlikely.
 

JSL

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  • Thursday at 12:02 PM
  • #39
Even if we don't need a particular player past promotion that we sign now, once we own them and are on contract they are a saleable asset. Getting a player with say 6 months left on a contract would be cost beneficial after putting them on a 3 or 4 year deal and selling them on if needed. Promotion is key. Getting there requires the best players for the job. Forget next season as promotion hasn't happened yet
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 12:04 PM
  • #40
shmmeee said:
One player is “stack[ing]” now?

Id hope we’ve got a player we could attract who has a chance of making the step up in our sights or is once again question what Austin does with his days.

We could do a Le Fee type deal, or find a younger player from abroad. I doubt every player we sign in the summer will be a £20m+ player
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I agree with you - I just think it’s pretty clear that the Dan Neils of this world don’t fit either of those categories.

shmmeee said:
Also we can just sell/loan out players. Even if we lose say £5m on the fee it’s probably worth it and that’s quite unlikely.
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Taking a £5 million hit for the sake of <20 Championship games seems like dodgy business to me. Is our midfield THAT bad?
 

shmmeee

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  • Thursday at 12:05 PM
  • #41
SBT said:
I agree with you - I just think it’s pretty clear that the Dan Neils of this world don’t fit either of those categories.


Taking a £5 million hit for the sake of <20 Championship games seems like dodgy business to me. Is our midfield THAT bad?
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Is our scouting that bad that anyone we sign would be a write off?
 
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JSL

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  • Thursday at 12:06 PM
  • #42
SBT said:
Taking a £5 million hit for the sake of <20 Championship games seems like dodgy business to me. Is our midfield THAT bad?
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We have already taken a hit by selling Sheaf for £6.5m and not replacing him. We are running on empty whenever we have an injury
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 12:07 PM
  • #43
shmmeee said:
Is our scouting that bad that anyone we sign would be a write off?
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Well that’s what you’re suggesting!

I think Austin has earned our trust but it’s far from impossible - how much are we about to write off on Bassette?
 

shmmeee

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  • Thursday at 12:08 PM
  • #44
SBT said:
Well that’s what you’re suggesting!

I think Austin has earned our trust but it’s far from impossible - how much are we about to write off on Bassette?
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Personally I’m not sure he has. We’ve got pretty much what we’ve paid for from him so far. I remain hopeful that he can find someone better than a cheap signing from the Scandinavian leagues whose legs are made of coffee stirrers yeah.
 

Grendel

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  • Thursday at 12:10 PM
  • #45
SBT said:
I agree with you - I just think it’s pretty clear that the Dan Neils of this world don’t fit either of those categories.


Taking a £5 million hit for the sake of <20 Championship games seems like dodgy business to me. Is our midfield THAT bad?
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Bournemouth paid a loan player who hardly even played £35 grand a week and bonuses if promoted. It all pays for itself in the end
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 12:12 PM
  • #46
Grendel said:
Bournemouth paid a loan player who hardly even played £35 grand a week and bonuses if promoted. It all pays for itself in the end
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Who was that?
 

Grendel

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  • Thursday at 12:14 PM
  • #47
SBT said:
Who was that?
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Kemwyne Jones. He played 41 minutes in total
 
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Grendel

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  • Thursday at 12:25 PM
  • #48
The Jones deal also included bonuses to the player and club. They signed him as a reserve striker was injured I think. The whole deal cost around £1.5 million for 6 weeks
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Thursday at 12:26 PM
  • #49
Grendel said:
The Jones deal also included bonuses to the player and club. They signed him as a reserve striker was injured I think. The whole deal cost around £1.5 million for 6 weeks
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Yes I dont get the "save money for the Prem" notion.

You do what you need at this point to get us over the line.
 
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Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Thursday at 12:29 PM
  • #50
Winston Bogarde at Chelsea . There 4 years and played 9 times. Now there's a guy who knew how to steal a living
 
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SkyBlue_Bear83

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  • Thursday at 12:39 PM
  • #51
SBT said:
I agree with you - I just think it’s pretty clear that the Dan Neils of this world don’t fit either of those categories.


Taking a £5 million hit for the sake of <20 Championship games seems like dodgy business to me. Is our midfield THAT bad?
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You think we will almost certainly be promoted without spending the £5 mill so it's bad business to you.

Other people aren't as confident and believe spending £5 mill on someone who can push Torp/Rudoni for a first team place will significantly improve our chances of promotion and therefore is good business.

The midfield has been pretty bad the last few weeks but excellent over the season as a whole. Grimes has had a drop in performance levels, Torp is several steps below where he was in September / October time and Rudoni has been below his levels or injured for most of the season.
 
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SkyBlueCharlie9

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  • Thursday at 12:44 PM
  • #52
2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
I honestly think Andrews has a part to play this season, he’s looked very assured when he’s come on and reminds me a bit of Jude Bellingham in the way he plays

I think he’ll be a cracking talent with the right management
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He has potential but miles off for a year or two.
We need an all action, ball winning, box to box, midfielder who is strong and skillfull and never gives the ball away. Eccles could have played this role but his passing and movement is not good enough and he is not physically strong enough.... yet.
Getting a player like this is as hard as getting a striker.
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 12:53 PM
  • #53
Grendel said:
Kemwyne Jones. He played 41 minutes in total
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Sounds to me like there’s a good case to be made that it was an unnecessary signing then?
 
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Skyblue Bangkok

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  • Thursday at 1:07 PM
  • #54
Torquay Sky Blue said:
Winston Bogarde at Chelsea . There 4 years and played 9 times. Now there's a guy who knew how to steal a living
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It was the club who gave him that contact , look at some the players at Manure in the past like Phil Jones and others who were given long contacts and then after a while hardly ever played.
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Thursday at 1:07 PM
  • #55
Ccfcisparks said:
Yes I dont get the "save money for the Prem" notion.

You do what you need at this point to get us over the line.
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The prize for promotion is £200m it’s saving pennies on the pound by not ‘going for it’ this window.

If didn’t get promotion, we’d all be sat here in May or June bemoaning the fact we didn’t push the boat out.

We’re not risking all for a shot at the playoffs. We’re 5 points clear at the top and there’s 20 games left, we’re odds on to go up so from here we just need to get the pieces to finish the job.
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 1:10 PM
  • #56
JSL said:
We have already taken a hit by selling Sheaf for £6.5m and not replacing him. We are running on empty whenever we have an injury
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I personally feel like the midfield has been consistently very good (if not great) all season, even with key injuries throughout the year. We’ve had three rough games no doubt - I’m not sure that means we’re “running on empty” to the extent that we need to break up the midfield that’s currently top of the league.
 

Grendel

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  • Thursday at 1:13 PM
  • #57
SBT said:
Sounds to me like there’s a good case to be made that it was an unnecessary signing then?
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They got promoted
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 1:14 PM
  • #58
Grendel said:
They got promoted
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Because of those 41 minutes?
 

TomRad85

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  • Thursday at 1:16 PM
  • #59
SBT said:
I personally feel like the midfield has been consistently very good (if not great) all season, even with key injuries throughout the year. We’ve had three rough games no doubt - I’m not sure that means we’re “running on empty” to the extent that we need to break up the midfield that’s currently top of the league.
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Rudi is off form, Torp has been injured or sick a fair bit, Grimes despite the man of steel meme could clearly do with a break from time to time. Selling Sheaf clearly wasn't part of the plan and more of a "Wrexham have bid how much?!"
We will definitely bring in another midfielder, I have no doubt at all.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Thursday at 1:20 PM
  • #60
SBT said:
Because of those 41 minutes?
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Well he got an equaliser in a 1-1 draw. SO earnt them a point
 

Mucca Mad Boys

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  • Thursday at 1:25 PM
  • #61
Ccfcisparks said:
Well he got an equaliser in a 1-1 draw. SO earnt them a point
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Like Paterson’s goal v Pompey. Overall, hit was a pointless signing that offered little, but that goal secured 3 points that arguably is the difference between finishing in the Top 6 and not.
 

JSL

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  • Thursday at 1:29 PM
  • #62
SBT said:
I personally feel like the midfield has been consistently very good (if not great) all season, even with key injuries throughout the year. We’ve had three rough games no doubt - I’m not sure that means we’re “running on empty” to the extent that we need to break up the midfield that’s currently top of the league.
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It wouldnt be breaking it up. It would be adding to it. If Rudoni or Torp gets injured, then we struggle. Our best formation has Torp and probably and a in form Rudoni definitely included but we cant use both for 90 minutes every match. Same for Grimes to a certain extent. He seems ultra reliable but that must be waining a bit and he needs some relief at times if we had a suitable ready made replacement to bring on, but as we dont, he has to soldier on
 
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viridisman

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  • Thursday at 1:31 PM
  • #63
Backup Attack minded CM
Genuine question, is Dele Alli completely shot to bits or is there something left in his tank?
 

TomRad85

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  • Thursday at 1:35 PM
  • #64
SBT said:
Well that’s what you’re suggesting!

I think Austin has earned our trust but it’s far from impossible - how much are we about to write off on Bassette?
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I agree on Austin which is why I don't understand where you are coming from. Are you saying don't spend just incase you get it wrong and it doesn't work out? That's just football.
 
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SBT

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  • Thursday at 1:36 PM
  • #65
Ccfcisparks said:
Well he got an equaliser in a 1-1 draw. SO earnt them a point
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So no then?
 

Ccfcisparks

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  • Thursday at 1:43 PM
  • #66
SBT said:
So no then?
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If you said to me you can have a loan signing that will secure you a point before the end of the season for £1m I'd probably take it right now yes.
 

Torquay Sky Blue

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  • Thursday at 1:43 PM
  • #67
Skyblue Bangkok said:
It was the club who gave him that contact , look at some the players at Manure in the past like Phil Jones and others who were given long contacts and then after a while hardly ever played.
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Tbf to Phil Jones he played 169 times for the club but as you say, they gave him a massive contract and he became unsellable.
 

AOM

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  • Thursday at 1:47 PM
  • #68
Ben Sheaf or Matty James will do for me. Bring them home Doug
 

skybluecam

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  • Thursday at 1:59 PM
  • #69
Ccfcisparks said:
Yes I dont get the "save money for the Prem" notion.

You do what you need at this point to get us over the line.
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Even if Doug went crazy this month he’s only spending £10-15m max (all in cost of transfer fees + wages). That would barely impact our ability to spend in the PL.
 
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Ccfcisparks

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  • Thursday at 2:01 PM
  • #70
skybluecam said:
Even if Doug went crazy this month he’s only spending £10-15m max (all in cost of transfer fees + wages). That would barely impact our ability to spend in the PL.
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and its not as if its all sunk cost.

We aren't spending, for example, £5m on Dan Neil and couldnt recoup any fee.
 
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