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Domo

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #36
Saddlebrains said:
Dead on
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i was about to write blah blah, this all could be hearsay, but ffs you've popped up again and confirmed it and feel deflated. im hopeful that these kind of things werent true. whoever gets this job has a serious job on their hands.
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #37
shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.
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I wonder how long before you are called a misogynist?
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #38
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
The role is changing to head coach. The job is to manage the coaches, the guy said “Robins isn’t a coach” that would suggest the coaches didn’t have direction.

you’re correct - the deck has been loaded against him if it’s true. It’s been said on here Robins agreed with the Vivaesh removal, and he was in on the recruitment of these coaches.

Look I’m gonna clarify here, I’ve complained about how I felt robins was lacking, but I’ve never openly wanted him sacked. In fact I thought he’d turned it around in all honesty (despite not thinking he could)
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Well according to Sheps post the coaches weren't Robins appointments and as he says, he was hardly going to say they weren't, which is what I've been saying.

He's also saying they're not up to scratch. So I'm not sure how that can be put on Robins if he didn't appoint them.

Im sure the role of head coach isn't to train novice coaches on the job.
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #39
Domo said:
i was about to write blah blah, this all could be hearsay, but ffs you've popped up again and confirmed it and feel deflated. im hopeful that these kind of things werent true. whoever gets this job has a serious job on their hands.
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Of course it could be the same person sharing their perspective with more than one person. That wouldn’t make it true.
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #40
shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.
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I have it on pretty good authority that things might happen very fast
 
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Chris1987

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #41
I just want to see 90 minutes of non stop effort with clear tactical direction. If they're still shit it endorses MR We can debate the reasons why afterwards .
 
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MalcSB

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #42
Any comments @David O'Day
 

Chris1987

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #43
MalcSB said:
Any comments @David O'Day
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Bellends seems to be his go to response.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #44
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
We were looking for an assistant manager not long ago, the new man will bring in an assistant.

we need someone who’s tactically astute.
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Again, might not be true, but someone said on here that Roberts put the kibosh on appointing Chris Ramsey, they gave the date the conversation took place.
Apparently this was after Robins had agreed to appoint him.

Apologies, can't remember the poster or the thread, anyone know?
 
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Deity

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #45
Sky Blue Pete said:
Who have it on pretty good authority that things might happen very fast
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Doug doesn’t seem like a knee jerk guy to me … it will be thought through and a plan in place
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #46
clint van damme said:
Well according to Sheps post the coaches weren't Robins appointments and as he says, he was hardly going to say they weren't, which is what I've been saying.

He's also saying they're not up to scratch. So I'm not sure how that can be put on Robins if he didn't appoint them.

Im sure the role of head coach isn't to train novice coaches on the job.
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Not necessarily train but to manage. 3/5 of the coaches were here prior to King
Delaney, Williams and Dempster.

admittedly - Williams being the defensive coach is an odd one considering he’s goalkeeping coach.

Carr is an individual skills and development coach. Boeteng has been at Villa and high up in Ghana’s set up. So there’s obviously something there
 

nicksar

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #47
shepardo01 said:
So, quite a well connected conversation I had today was quite interesting - and also as a huge fan, left me a little bit deflated.

The title refers to the new structures on the footballing side of the club.

In line with the vastly improved training facilities, the new structure of performance director and multiple coaches seemed (seems) like a decent idea and has the potential to take us to the next level - and seems to be a modern way forward.....

However, what I have heard today is why I have added the second part of the title.

Apparently;
Coaching/tactical nous is levels below what was previously in place. To the point where MR was even having to chip in with training ground coaching. He is not a coach.
Performance director is trying to "run the show".
Lead coach is their appointment - not MRs and is the biggest yes man going. Do not rule out him getting the Head Coach role. (Speculation from conversation - not info like other bits)
There are too many voices giving lower level of instruction.
AV departure was due to some new players throwing him under the bus and his poor relationship with the performance director.
He was the main man coaching wise.

So on paper, what could have been a positive move forwards has been a bit of a car crash with average coaches being employed by what sounds like a performance director who wants their own people in alongside long standing coaches and now the manager being sacrificed to facilitate this.

There is nobody already lined up to come in.
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Not doubting any of the above but my understanding is that the "Lead coaches" jointly are Dempster & Delaney.
 

Old Warwickshire lad

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #48
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
The role is changing to head coach. The job is to manage the coaches, the guy said “Robins isn’t a coach” that would suggest the coaches didn’t have direction.

you’re correct - the deck has been loaded against him if it’s true. It’s been said on here Robins agreed with the Vivaesh removal, and he was in on the recruitment of these coaches.

Look I’m gonna clarify here, I’ve complained about how I felt robins was lacking, but I’ve never openly wanted him sacked. In fact I thought he’d turned it around in all honesty (despite not thinking he could)
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But the coaches don’t seem to be up to the job.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #49
clint van damme said:
Again, might not be true, but someone said on here that Roberts put the kibosh on appointing Chris Ramsey, they gave the date the conversation took place.
Apparently this was after Robins had agreed to appoint him.

Apologies, can't remember the poster or the thread, anyone know?
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Yeah - sounds like a managed exit, make the position untenable, the replacement will be a lot more free. Guarentee it.

I will admit it’s the most important appointment we’ve got to make in years. Does feel like a cross roads moment
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #50
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Not necessarily train but to manage. 3/5 of the coaches were here prior to King
Delaney, Williams and Dempster.

admittedly - Williams being the defensive coach is an odd one considering he’s goalkeeping coach.

Carr is an individual skills and development coach. Boeteng has been at Villa and high up in Ghana’s set up. So there’s obviously something there
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Delaney was coaching U18s. That's quite a step up, to effectively replace Viveash.
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #51
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Yeah - sounds like a managed exit, make the position untenable, the replacement will be a lot more free. Guarentee it.

I will admit it’s the most important appointment we’ve got to make in years. Does feel like a cross roads moment
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Of course the new appointment will be a lot more free

More under the Performance Director’s thumb more like,
 

Ring Of Steel

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #52
clint van damme said:
Again, might not be true, but someone said on here that Roberts put the kibosh on appointing Chris Ramsey, they gave the date the conversation took place.
Apparently this was after Robins had agreed to appoint him.

Apologies, can't remember the poster or the thread, anyone know?
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it was USSkyBlue, the date was October 9th I think n
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #53
Ring Of Steel said:
it was USSkyBlue, the date was October 9th I think n
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It was, thanks.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #54
clint van damme said:
Delaney was coaching U18s. That's quite a step up, to effectively replace Viveash.
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Yes. But Robins rates Delaney. Someone told me that was behind his promotion (not necessarily to replace AV - but definitely to first team)

Robins wasn’t a king man. I have my suspicions that Robins would have gone at the end of last season if we hadn’t made the semi finals of the cup.

New owners inevitably want their own people in. As I said above. Massive cross roads for us now
 
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nicksar

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #55
Ring Of Steel said:
it was USSkyBlue, the date was October 9th I think n
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With hindsight it's now clearly obvious the appointment wasn't made because the plan to sack Mark Robins was already in place.
 
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AFCCOVENTRY

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #56
Once Robins starting saying our expectations are too high he went against Doug’s vision. The writing was on the wall a long time back.
 
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fatso

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #57
Deity said:
Any manager worth there salt will fancy their ability to harness all that potential ….
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But only if they are allowed to do so.
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #58
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
The role is changing to head coach. The job is to manage the coaches, the guy said “Robins isn’t a coach” that would suggest the coaches didn’t have direction.

you’re correct - the deck has been loaded against him if it’s true. It’s been said on here Robins agreed with the Vivaesh removal, and he was in on the recruitment of these coaches.

Look I’m gonna clarify here, I’ve complained about how I felt robins was lacking, but I’ve never openly wanted him sacked. In fact I thought he’d turned it around in all honesty (despite not thinking he could)
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As I've stated until blue in the face but as per got shot down

King gave Robins enough rope to hang himself
 
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Darth Robins

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #59
Deity said:
You are joking right?

They will be forming a long queue

really well invested squad

27,000 fans for home matches

brand new training facilities

ambitious owner

Any manager worth there salt will fancy their ability to harness all that potential ….
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You mean Head Coach right, Managers aren't trendy any more!
 

Otis

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #60
fatso said:
You'd have to be fucking mental to come here and work within King's current set up.

If a new manager/head coach doesn't bring his own assistant and coaching staff he's not going to succeed.

We need a strong character that can tell King to keep his fucking nose out of the playing side of things and to get rid of all the fucking box tickers.
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Yeah, you would think a new manager would definitely want to bring his own staff with him.

If this is the criteria, I can see people being approached for the role and potentially turning it down.
 
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Otis

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #61
clint van damme said:
Well according to Sheps post the coaches weren't Robins appointments and as he says, he was hardly going to say they weren't, which is what I've been saying.

He's also saying they're not up to scratch. So I'm not sure how that can be put on Robins if he didn't appoint them.

Im sure the role of head coach isn't to train novice coaches on the job.
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Not sure Nick's going to agree.
 
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Sky Blue Goblin

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #62
Mike Ashley come and save us
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #63
Otis said:
Not sure Nick's going to agree.
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So much of it is blindingly obvious.
 
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SKYBLUES90

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #64
clint van damme said:
So much of it is blindingly obvious.
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Why because someone on the internet said it’s true!?
 

alexccfc99

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #65
HuckerbyDublinWhelan said:
Yes. But Robins rates Delaney. Someone told me that was behind his promotion (not necessarily to replace AV - but definitely to first team)

Robins wasn’t a king man. I have my suspicions that Robins would have gone at the end of last season if we hadn’t made the semi finals of the cup.

New owners inevitably want their own people in. As I said above. Massive cross roads for us now
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I don’t think you are far wrong with that

It wouldn’t have made the decision any more popular, but if he’d said, ‘Look thanks for 7 amazing years but it’s time to go our separate ways’ and rolled the dice and made a change in the summer and given someone a few months to put their stamp on the club then I would have seen the strategic sense behind that
 

Otis

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #66
SKYBLUES90 said:
Why because someone on the internet said it’s true!?
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Because what has been suggested seems to completely marry up with what has seemingly been going on.

It does seem to match suspicions and it's not just one person who has said it.
 
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clint van damme

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #67
SKYBLUES90 said:
Why because someone on the internet said it’s true!?
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No, because it's obvious if you look at events and apply a bit of logic.
And to be fair, Shep is a poster I'd trust. Hes also being backed up by saddles, and despite what people might think, hes got a lot of stuff right, as has gimoc, (and a fair bit wrong if we're honest), but it builds a picture.

But these posts only confirms a lot of what myself and others suspected.
 
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covcity4life

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #68
Worrying read but the structure might click with recruitment of the type of head coach they want?

I'm struggling to believe the 4 new coaches are all numbskulls also.
 
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HuckerbyDublinWhelan

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #69
covcity4life said:
Worrying read but the structure might click with recruitment of the type of head coach they want?

I'm struggling to believe the 4 new coaches are all numbskulls also.
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This is where I’m at, if this is the structure king wants - it’s one I support. But it’s one Robins didn’t fit into.
 
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Chris1987

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  • Nov 8, 2024
  • #70
covcity4life said:
Worrying read but the structure might click with recruitment of the type of head coach they want?

I'm struggling to believe the 4 new coaches are all numbskulls also.
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If they are we are in massive trouble.
 
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