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Nuskyblue

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #36
Davo said:
Still frustrated after yesterday’s poor showing, I’ve just watched the highlights on TV. Probably a mistake as I’m even more pi55ed off.

First goal image:
5 players in a line on edge of 6 yard box (looked to be Bassette going towards our goal). Scorer on his own, another guy on his own on pen spot. Both free to pick up any balls that drop (which happened and they scored). Not sure what Milan’s doing here.


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Second goal images:
Chap picked up the ball on half way. No one within 20 yards of him, until he got to the edge of the box. Slotted home. 2-0.
Asante not tracking, neither of the 2 CMs coming across to cover until it’s too late. This seemed to happen all half.
Could Thomas not come across and tell Milan to push to press the ball here? Shows no awareness and no communication. Concerning.

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Milan then pointing out the area the guy had the freedom of.

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Now if I can see this watching from the stands and the highlights on TV, surely the horde of coaches can?? Yet these (and other issues) are happening from game to game. And also don’t seem to be addressed mid game.

Big concerns for me. Other teams who started slowly (eg Luton and Norwich) now picking up wins.
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That's been happening all season.

The opposition can literally walk through as at will, that's not even hyperbole and I wish it was.

Back 3/5 is now almost inevitable at this point.
 
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Nick

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #37
Frostie said:
BTA was following the LB Tymon who inverted into midfield. They then had Cooper drift out to the left along with Eom, continually creating 2v1s. It's very clever play by them but it was absolutely criminal that we didn't adapt to it quicker.

As @Nick said earlier, other teams have their keeper go down 'injured' to stop the game so that they can make tactical adjustments. We didn't even need to resort to that, the game stopped anyway for Allen's injury but we still failed to address it. Shocking.
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Robins said about getting in at half time, I'm not sure why he thinks he has to wait until then to talk to players and change things?

He should have spotted it and spoken to the players to sort it. He did nothing and they scored from it.
 
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stupot07

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #38
rob9872 said:
Torp not good enough. Drop Rudoni deeper, BTA central as the 10, Tats on the right.

If not that, then for Leeds away I'd even consider Lati in with 5 at the back.
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BTA isn't good enough technically to play the 10.
 
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Nuskyblue

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #39
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Think it's unfair to blame BTA for that, doesn't look like a lack of trying, it looks like a down the middle centre forward being played wide right and assigned defensive duties that he doesn't know how to carry out.
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It looked like a lack of trying from where I was sitting, literally cantering back. The bare minimum you can expect is application and effort, defensive work is basically non negotiable.

All our wide players have been AWOL out of possession, it's a big part of why we are so open.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #40
rob9872 said:
Torp not good enough. Drop Rudoni deeper, BTA central as the 10, Tats on the right.

If not that, then for Leeds away I'd even consider Lati in with 5 at the back.
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Or blood Kai against Leeds, can only go one of two ways!
 

shmmeee

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #41
wingy said:
Or blood Kai against Leeds, can only go one of two ways!
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This is the last team I’d blood a kid into tbf
 
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Potbellypig

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #42
rob9872 said:
Torp not good enough. Drop Rudoni deeper, BTA central as the 10, Tats on the right.

If not that, then for Leeds away I'd even consider Lati in with 5 at the back.
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I'm not sure why we should be so scared of playing Leeds. Their squad is about the 4th best in the division and they've hardly had a fantastic start. Last season, yes, this season, no different to playing any other top 6 club.
 
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wingy

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  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #43
shmmeee said:
This is the last team I’d blood a kid into tbf
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Be Brave get some Coventry in there even if he is young and use the the other one for at least half a game Tavares!
 
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napolimp

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 22, 2024
  • #44
Davo said:
Still frustrated after yesterday’s poor showing, I’ve just watched the highlights on TV. Probably a mistake as I’m even more pi55ed off.

First goal image:
5 players in a line on edge of 6 yard box (looked to be Bassette going towards our goal). Scorer on his own, another guy on his own on pen spot. Both free to pick up any balls that drop (which happened and they scored). Not sure what Milan’s doing here.


View attachment 38581

Second goal images:
Chap picked up the ball on half way. No one within 20 yards of him, until he got to the edge of the box. Slotted home. 2-0.
Asante not tracking, neither of the 2 CMs coming across to cover until it’s too late. This seemed to happen all half.
Could Thomas not come across and tell Milan to push to press the ball here? Shows no awareness and no communication. Concerning.

View attachment 38582


Milan then pointing out the area the guy had the freedom of.

View attachment 38583

Now if I can see this watching from the stands and the highlights on TV, surely the horde of coaches can?? Yet these (and other issues) are happening from game to game. And also don’t seem to be addressed mid game.

Big concerns for me. Other teams who started slowly (eg Luton and Norwich) now picking up wins.
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Calendars a nice touch, can't believe you just spent your entire weekend collating a couple of video stills.
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #45
The defence is shit because for some unbeknown reason we've gave Aled Williams, who has a questionable record in his actual area of goalkeeping, the defensive coach job

He's out of his depth with goalkeepers let alone giving him responsibility for an area that was a strength under Lawrence
 
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Boicey

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #46
What's concerning is we are weak all over the pitch defensively.
We have too many central strikers, too few wide players who know how to support full backs, weak and slow central midfielders, full backs who continually give wide players space to cross, central defenders prone to blunders, and a new keeper who has had a disappointing impact in galvanising his defence.
 
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Viktor17

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #47
Saddlebrains said:
The defence is shit because for some unbeknown reason we've gave Aled Williams, who has a questionable record in his actual area of goalkeeping, the defensive coach job

He's out of his depth with goalkeepers let alone giving him responsibility for an area that was a strength under Lawrence
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Genuinely why on earth would we do this
 
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Boicey

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #48
We also seem to have fitness, athleticism issues.
Wright and Torp are always knackered after 30 mins. Simms is not athletic enough to hassle defenders. Torp, Eccles, Sheaf, (and EMC) are slow.
Saka, Torp, Allen aren't strong enough and get easily knocked off the ball.
 
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Bristol sky blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #49
Several players guilty of not tracking back or engaging with runners with genuine intent to win the ball. Has happened a few times this year. Results can and will improve but only when basics like this are addressed.
 
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StrettoBoy

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #50
Davo said:
Still frustrated after yesterday’s poor showing, I’ve just watched the highlights on TV. Probably a mistake as I’m even more pi55ed off.

First goal image:
5 players in a line on edge of 6 yard box (looked to be Bassette going towards our goal). Scorer on his own, another guy on his own on pen spot. Both free to pick up any balls that drop (which happened and they scored). Not sure what Milan’s doing here.


View attachment 38581

Second goal images:
Chap picked up the ball on half way. No one within 20 yards of him, until he got to the edge of the box. Slotted home. 2-0.
Asante not tracking, neither of the 2 CMs coming across to cover until it’s too late. This seemed to happen all half.
Could Thomas not come across and tell Milan to push to press the ball here? Shows no awareness and no communication. Concerning.

View attachment 38582


Milan then pointing out the area the guy had the freedom of.

View attachment 38583

Now if I can see this watching from the stands and the highlights on TV, surely the horde of coaches can?? Yet these (and other issues) are happening from game to game. And also don’t seem to be addressed mid game.

Big concerns for me. Other teams who started slowly (eg Luton and Norwich) now picking up wins.
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All true but I want to strike a more positive note.

So all I will say is that you have a nice fireplace
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #51
Saddlebrains said:
The defence is shit because for some unbeknown reason we've gave Aled Williams, who has a questionable record in his actual area of goalkeeping, the defensive coach job

He's out of his depth with goalkeepers let alone giving him responsibility for an area that was a strength under Lawrence
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Wait what
 
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Davo

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #52
Saddlebrains said:
The defence is shit because for some unbeknown reason we've gave Aled Williams, who has a questionable record in his actual area of goalkeeping, the defensive coach job

He's out of his depth with goalkeepers let alone giving him responsibility for an area that was a strength under Lawrence
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Really?? I didn’t know this! Terrible decision if so
 
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Potbellypig

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #53
If it's actually true that Williams is responsible for training the defence, I'd love to know what Carr, Boateng, Delaney and Dempster are doing.
 

fernandopartridge

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #54
For the second goal Torp has got to go and face him up, you don't let a player run into the penalty area. It's fucking basic.
 
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shmmeee

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #55
fernandopartridge said:
For the second goal Torp has got to go and face him up, you don't let a player run into the penalty area. It's fucking basic.
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Poor comms all round. Thomas could have come across and released MvE as well. Don’t blame MvE who had two on one all half really.
 
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fernandopartridge

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #56
stupot07 said:
BTA isn't good enough technically to play the 10.
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Nor tactically, the only role I'd trust him in is a central striker to be quite honest.
 
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Viktor17

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #57
fernandopartridge said:
Nor tactically, the only role I'd trust him in is a central striker to be quite honest.
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He's the perfect impact sub to chuck up top and say "be a pest for 30 minutes" thats him limitation at this level.
However that should be exactly what we need IF the team was performing. As Simms should be No.1
 
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fatso

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #58
Davo said:
Still frustrated after yesterday’s poor showing, I’ve just watched the highlights on TV. Probably a mistake as I’m even more pi55ed off.

First goal image:
5 players in a line on edge of 6 yard box (looked to be Bassette going towards our goal). Scorer on his own, another guy on his own on pen spot. Both free to pick up any balls that drop (which happened and they scored). Not sure what Milan’s doing here.


View attachment 38581

Second goal images:
Chap picked up the ball on half way. No one within 20 yards of him, until he got to the edge of the box. Slotted home. 2-0.
Asante not tracking, neither of the 2 CMs coming across to cover until it’s too late. This seemed to happen all half.
Could Thomas not come across and tell Milan to push to press the ball here? Shows no awareness and no communication. Concerning.

View attachment 38582


Milan then pointing out the area the guy had the freedom of.

View attachment 38583

Now if I can see this watching from the stands and the highlights on TV, surely the horde of coaches can?? Yet these (and other issues) are happening from game to game. And also don’t seem to be addressed mid game.

Big concerns for me. Other teams who started slowly (eg Luton and Norwich) now picking up wins.
Click to expand...
This is down to team selection, playing a CF on the right wing, when Sakamoto is on the bench is always going to cause us issues.

Maybe BTA was one of the players who didn't follow instructions, as he failed to track back on a number of occasions and drifted too centrally which denied us an outlet.
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #59
Poor all round. Bassette needs to chill out until he’s actually scored a couple of goals

 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #60
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Poor all round. Bassette needs to chill out until he’s actually scored a couple of goals

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What a Bit Like Simms You Mean.

Nothing Wrong with Showing a Bit Of Passion and That You Care.
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #61
SlowerThanPlatt said:
Poor all round. Bassette needs to chill out until he’s actually scored a couple of goals

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I'd say the exact opposite is true, we need more players that demand better from those around them.

Why the fuck should Bassette accept piss poor service?
 
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SlowerThanPlatt

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #62
fatso said:
I'd say the exact opposite is true, we need more players that demand better from those around them.

Why the fuck should Bassette accept piss poor service?
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He had a really good chance on Saturday and missed, there isn’t much wrong with the pass he’s complaining about in the video either
 
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fatso

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #63
SlowerThanPlatt said:
He had a really good chance on Saturday and missed, there isn’t much wrong with the pass he’s complaining about in the video either
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The headed chance (if that's the one) certainly wasn't easy.
 
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2024/25 League 1 Champs?

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #64
Davo said:
Still frustrated after yesterday’s poor showing, I’ve just watched the highlights on TV. Probably a mistake as I’m even more pi55ed off.

First goal image:
5 players in a line on edge of 6 yard box (looked to be Bassette going towards our goal). Scorer on his own, another guy on his own on pen spot. Both free to pick up any balls that drop (which happened and they scored). Not sure what Milan’s doing here.


View attachment 38581

Second goal images:
Chap picked up the ball on half way. No one within 20 yards of him, until he got to the edge of the box. Slotted home. 2-0.
Asante not tracking, neither of the 2 CMs coming across to cover until it’s too late. This seemed to happen all half.
Could Thomas not come across and tell Milan to push to press the ball here? Shows no awareness and no communication. Concerning.

View attachment 38582


Milan then pointing out the area the guy had the freedom of.

View attachment 38583

Now if I can see this watching from the stands and the highlights on TV, surely the horde of coaches can?? Yet these (and other issues) are happening from game to game. And also don’t seem to be addressed mid game.

Big concerns for me. Other teams who started slowly (eg Luton and Norwich) now picking up wins.
Click to expand...

I mean to be fair, the first goal comes from at least two, possibly three players (Eccles, Bassette and maybe Rudoni) missing a simple header clear - awful awful defending
 

fatso

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #65
2024/25 League 1 Champs? said:
I mean to be fair, the first goal comes from at least two, possibly three players (Eccles, Bassette and maybe Rudoni) missing a simple header clear - awful awful defending
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I notice you didn't mention either of our centre halves, who's job it is to clear crosses into the box..

Imo dropping Kitching has had a massive effect on us not keeping clean sheets.
 

2024/25 League 1 Champs?

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #66
fatso said:
I notice you didn't mention either of our centre halves, who's job it is to clear crosses into the box..

Imo dropping Kitching has had a massive effect on us not keeping clean sheets.
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I didn’t because they weren’t first in line to defend the cross, or even second or third

and if they were I believe one of them would’ve cleared the ball in, but I also believe I would’ve headed that ball clear, it was a comedy of missed headers and then a mass panic

I do agree that Kitching is a solid defender, but he had made a couple of mistakes / had a couple of bad performances (as have they all recently) so on form he was dropped and has to work his way back in - I won’t complain if / when he does though
 

Saddlebrains

Well-Known Member
  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #67
Rudoni just having a casual stroll around on that video aswell bless him
 

shepardo01

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #68
Saddlebrains said:
The defence is shit because for some unbeknown reason we've gave Aled Williams, who has a questionable record in his actual area of goalkeeping, the defensive coach job

He's out of his depth with goalkeepers let alone giving him responsibility for an area that was a strength under Lawrence
Click to expand...
Jesus. So now he is spread over two areas after his questionable ability in his main role!??...
 
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Gynnsthetonic

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #69
stevefloyd said:
Not convinced with Torp, his honeymoon period is over and he looks either shit scared or not bothered
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Just not good enough, not the player we need to get us promoted, he doesn't seem to offer anything
 
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Saddlebrains

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  • Sep 23, 2024
  • #70
shepardo01 said:
Jesus. So now he is spread over two areas after his questionable ability in his main role!??...
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Correct
 
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