Hadn't seen that. It's fucking madnessHorrifying stuff. BBC playing the mental health card even though the guy was looking for a soldier to attack.
It’s the police officer in charge that’s said it could be mental health related, the BBC have just reported it.Horrifying stuff. BBC playing the mental health card even though the guy was looking for a soldier to attack.
80 stabs allegedly
Do you know that esb? Have you seen some informationIt's terrorism, nothing else.
Unfortunately there's a growing number of people living in the UK that hate our culture, and attacks like this are one of the consequences. It's Lee Rigby all over again and the silence, although unsurprising, says it all.
Looks like an attempted lee rigby style attack on a soldier?
I am waiting for more info, because the police have said it's NOT terror related.It's terrorism, nothing else.
Unfortunately there's a growing number of people living in the UK that hate our culture, and attacks like this are one of the consequences. It's Lee Rigby all over again and the silence, although unsurprising, says it all.
I am waiting for more info, because the police have said it's NOT terror related.
It's easy for us on here to say it's terror related, but the police have more information and knowledge of what happened don't they.
Hopefully there will be more clarification in the days to come.
We can't go around, in my humble opinion, saying the police say it's not terror related, but they are wrong and we on a football forum know better and know it IS terror related.
Common sense really.
It's an awful incident. I can't say it's terrorism based on what little information we have. Maybe it was a personal attack on someone the attacker knows
Very little come out about it so far isn't there.
It's very sad and shocking
It's ironic that minorities say mental health card works the other way when there is a white shooter or anything like that. But when coloured it must be terrorism and that alone.
In any case this is fucked up regardless of the motive
They always are in this type of situation, as they have primacy until such time as they decide it is NOT terrorism, when they hand it back to local plod.Counter terrorism police are involved in the investigation?
Kent soldier stabbing: Counter-terror police helping investigation into attack on lieutenant colonel
The victim of a stabbing outside an Army barracks is a lieutenant colonel, it has emerged, as counter-terror police were confirmed to be supporting the investigation.www.telegraph.co.uk
Put beautifully and succinctly.Either way, its one fucked up prick who did this to essentially a youngster. He should never see the light of day again.
I fear I'll poke the bear...Ffs Pete, I know you like to come across as the voice of reason on these kind of threads, but take your head of your arse and have an opinion. I also believe it's terror related, if you don't then at least have the conviction to say why.
It's because people don't feel empowered to make such observations that we end up with bigger divides and unhealthy racist undertones pushed underground and escalating.
Put beautifully and succinctly.
I fear I'll poke the bear...
The difference is how you have that opinion. Now, I distinctly remember a way back putting up a long and rambling post in response to you saying how I didn't remotely think you racist, but a post you'd made could certainly be construed as racist. You actually took that remarkably well, and I mention it to point out that I still think the same that you're not racist, because of your track record. Not that it really matters to you or that you carebut that's that. There's much (nearly all!) we disagree on, but I can say reasonably safely that I don't think you racist.
There are a certain people on here however that rush to any drama with almost gleeful abandon, a blood lust and they're desperate for it to be related to certain groups to confirm their prejudices about such groups as a whole. Then you'll have events such as this used as a platform to share some pretty unpleasant wider beliefs.
I mean, that's why I'd wait because in the past you wouldn't find out until long after anyway - by which time people can determine the cause... but the modern world means that if I wait I get called out for not responding (the hypocrisy!) and if I comment I'm a cuck who history will remember (I mean whatever the fuck that means - is it an oblique threat or some kind of promise to write me into a book?).
I mean, I'd rather wait to know anyway, but arguing these things is a bit pointless isn't it that it detracts from the fact that some bastard has committed the act of a bastard, and should be condemned and punished for that rather than it being used to support a spot of casual racism with amateur language lifted off the back of the latest insults for righties book.
Ashdown actually has it right in his quote above, and there's very little else to be said!
My ex worked with young people who had severe mental health issues and were considered at risk of performing violent acts without appropriate treatment. It was a specialist unit that was hugely successful to the point that they had officials from other countries visiting to see what they were doing.Yeah but how's it the mental health services fault? Must be a way to divert the blame from him.
Largely agree and the same posters (like some politicians tbf) use either side of any argument to promote their own agenda of hate or divide.Put beautifully and succinctly.
I fear I'll poke the bear...
The difference is how you have that opinion. Now, I distinctly remember a way back putting up a long and rambling post in response to you saying how I didn't remotely think you racist, but a post you'd made could certainly be construed as racist. You actually took that remarkably well, and I mention it to point out that I still think the same that you're not racist, because of your track record. Not that it really matters to you or that you carebut that's that. There's much (nearly all!) we disagree on, but I can say reasonably safely that I don't think you racist.
There are a certain people on here however that rush to any drama with almost gleeful abandon, a blood lust and they're desperate for it to be related to certain groups to confirm their prejudices about such groups as a whole. Then you'll have events such as this used as a platform to share some pretty unpleasant wider beliefs.
I mean, that's why I'd wait because in the past you wouldn't find out until long after anyway - by which time people can determine the cause... but the modern world means that if I wait I get called out for not responding (the hypocrisy!) and if I comment I'm a cuck who history will remember (I mean whatever the fuck that means - is it an oblique threat or some kind of promise to write me into a book?).
I mean, I'd rather wait to know anyway, but arguing these things is a bit pointless isn't it that it detracts from the fact that some bastard has committed the act of a bastard, and should be condemned and punished for that rather than it being used to support a spot of casual racism with amateur language lifted off the back of the latest insults for righties book.
Ashdown actually has it right in his quote above, and there's very little else to be said!
I like evidence and fact I know we’ve rejected expertise in this post truth worldFfs Pete, I know you like to come across as the voice of reason on these kind of threads, but take your head of your arse and have an opinion. I also believe it's terror related, if you don't then at least have the conviction to say why.
It's because people don't feel empowered to make such observations that we end up with bigger divides and unhealthy racist undertones pushed underground and escalating.
But we don't know if he's Muslim yet do we? I don't really watch news much if I can help it so may have missed something but you can't just assume it's terrorism that's all I'm saying.Largely agree and the same posters (like some politicians tbf) use either side of any argument to promote their own agenda of hate or divide.
Where we differ is that I see these always as acts if terror, whether it's racially or religiously motivated (and not just one way) these are carefully planned attacks. This one wasn't random and indeed 80 stabs.
To label it mental health is imo, detracting from genuine mental health issues. Are these perpetrators unhinged? Well yes of course they are to carry out the atrocities, but it's fueled by hatred, radicalisation and belief (and the bloody Internet!). It's an act of terror imo everytime and yet the authorities are so scared to label it as such, that they use the mental health line and all that does is make bad situation worse.
Largely agree and the same posters (like some politicians tbf) use either side of any argument to promote their own agenda of hate or divide.
Where we differ is that I see these always as acts if terror, whether it's racially or religiously motivated (and not just one way) these are carefully planned attacks. This one wasn't random and indeed 80 stabs.
To label it mental health is imo, detracting from genuine mental health issues. Are these perpetrators unhinged? Well yes of course they are to carry out the atrocities, but it's fueled by hatred, radicalisation and belief (and the bloody Internet!). It's an act of terror imo everytime and yet the authorities are so scared to label it as such, that they use the mental health line and all that does is make bad situation worse.
But we don't know if he's Muslim yet do we? I don't really watch news much if I can help it so may have missed something but you can't just assume it's terrorism that's all I'm saying.
tbf I'd rather the authorities waited until labelling any way. Works both ways doesn't it - if they get it wrong then it causes negative effects whichever way they get it wrong. Their job's to investigate, and I'd rather they did that. I mean, I can think of certain circumstances (based on what I've read) where it *could* be mental health. But what good does speculating do? All that does is then put me into the first sentence you've written doesn't it and for what? It's also in danger of insulting the soldier needlessly isn't it (I typed out a possible motive and it looked rather bad, so now deleted before I posted!), and that's not right either.To label it mental health is imo, detracting from genuine mental health issues. Are these perpetrators unhinged? Well yes of course they are to carry out the atrocities, but it's fueled by hatred, radicalisation and belief (and the bloody Internet!). It's an act of terror imo everytime and yet the authorities are so scared to label it as such, that they use the mental health line and all that does is make bad situation worse.
He didn't mention anything about muslim, did he?
He doesn't have to be Muslim for it to be terrorism! Had you down as better than that tbh.But we don't know if he's Muslim yet do we? I don't really watch news much if I can help it so may have missed something but you can't just assume it's terrorism that's all I'm saying.
Behave you woke snowflake gammon prickHe doesn't have to be Muslim for it to be terrorism! Had you down as better than that tbh.
Behave you woke snowflake gammon prick
They just rant in the politics threadYou don’t get many nutters shouting about centrism in the streets lol.
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