Gillingham offer support to SISU (5 Viewers)

skybluebeduff · May 29, 2013

The headline is actually Gillingham offer support to city but after reading it, I think he's trying to get in SISU's good books sweet talking the club for Cody
Have a read:
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/cms_images/common/gillingham-letter144-840072.pdf

more here:
http://www.ccfc.co.uk/news/article/gillingham-letter-840087.aspx

tobymillward · May 29, 2013

That is probably the only letter from the 71 clubs that supports SISU. Just the club trying to use it as propaganda.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

Well said, that's 2 clubs who have spoke against ACL, now it's time for our fans to rally behind not SISU, but CCFC to get a better rent agreement.

The Penguin · May 29, 2013

Well, I certainly feel reassured now that the mighty Gills are in our corner.

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TheRoyalScam · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Well said, that's 2 clubs who have spoke against ACL, now it's time for our fans to rally behind not SISU, but CCFC to get a better rent agreement.

How about reducing the rent from £1.3m to £400k/annum?

Or am I missing your point?

skybluebeduff · May 29, 2013

tobymillward said:
That is probably the only letter from the 71 clubs that supports SISU. Just the club trying to use it as propaganda.

Exactly, I would like to see the other replies, if any!

simple_simon · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Well said, that's 2 clubs who have spoke against ACL, now it's time for our fans to rally behind not SISU, but CCFC to get a better rent agreement.

Are you serious, or taking the piss?

Godiva · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Well said, that's 2 clubs who have spoke against ACL, now it's time for our fans to rally behind not SISU, but CCFC to get a better rent agreement.

I agree - that is what the Trust should do.
Maybe next week they will organise a protest against ACL at the Ricoh?

mattylad · May 29, 2013

tim fishers mate in I back CCFC shock

James Smith · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Well said, that's 2 clubs who have spoke against ACL, now it's time for our fans to rally behind not SISU, but CCFC to get a better rent agreement.

What are Walsall charging us and do you have contact details for the person we need to lobby there to get it reduced?

simple_simon · May 29, 2013

Godiva said:
I agree - that is what the Trust should do.
Maybe next week they will organise a protest against ACL at the Ricoh?

What a load of Shite, as far as I can see its not about who says what or who you support in this crap.
Only ONE group are taking the club away from Coventry and that not ACL.

DaleM · May 29, 2013

simple_simon said:
Are you serious, or taking the piss?

It's called "The Taylor Tombola Book Of Facts , Conjecture or Inane Bollocks" trouble is you don't know which one you are going to get :jerkit:

simple_simon · May 29, 2013

Am working that out!

theferret · May 29, 2013

I agree with much of what was said in that letter. Take the rent issue in isolation and I stand with the club.

You cannot take the rent issue in isolation though, you have to view it in the context of everything else that has happened under SISU, and as we all know, they have been an unmitigated disaster. I just hope we emerge from this mess with new owners, can't stand the thought of this dragging on much longer.

TheRoyalScam · May 29, 2013

Paul Scally.....racist?

A long read, but gives an insight: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2181039/Black-footballer-wins-race-discrimination-case-club-landmark-tribunal-ruling.html

Also it's interesting that he's got a lot of his information from that epitome of a trustworthy club secretary: Graham Hover.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

DaleM said:
It's called "The Taylor Tombola Book Of Facts , Conjecture or Inane Bollocks" trouble is you don't know which one you are going to get :jerkit:

Speaking of 'inane bollocks' 'conjecture'... What fact have you posted today?

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

simple_simon said:
What a load of Shite, as far as I can see its not about who says what or who you support in this crap.
Only ONE group are taking the club away from Coventry and that not ACL.

What about when ACL denied us the chance to renegotiate the rent.

Before you say, Fisher made a statement about this, and before you say 'don't believe a word Fisher says', ACL failed to release a counter-statement and if this wasn't the case, ACL would've been quick to dismiss what Fisher said, but they didn't.

All on ITV if you don't believe me.

May I ask again, if ACL refuses to talk about a rent agreement, what are CCFC supposed to do?

James Smith · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
What about when ACL denied us the chance to renegotiate the rent.

Before you say, Fisher made a statement about this, and before you say 'don't believe a word Fisher says', ACL failed to release a counter-statement and if this wasn't the case, ACL would've been quick to dismiss what Fisher said, but they didn't.

All on ITV if you don't believe me.

May I ask again, if ACL refuses to talk about a rent agreement, what are CCFC supposed to do?

Do you have a date for that on the ITV site?

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

James Smith said:
Do you have a date for that on the ITV site?

I can do one better:

Bit of spin, but the last line interests me.

Noggin · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
What about when ACL denied us the chance to renegotiate the rent.

Before you say, Fisher made a statement about this, and before you say 'don't believe a word Fisher says', ACL failed to release a counter-statement and if this wasn't the case, ACL would've been quick to dismiss what Fisher said, but they didn't.

All on ITV if you don't believe me.

May I ask again, if ACL refuses to talk about a rent agreement, what are CCFC supposed to do?

You keep spouting the same old nonsense, ACL didn't refuse to negotiate, ACL refused to negotiate any further after a year of negotiating and producing a final offer, SISU rejected the final offer hence nothing further to discuss.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

Noggin said:
You keep spouting the same old nonsense, ACL didn't refuse to negotiate, ACL refused to negotiate any further after a year of negotiating and producing a final offer, SISU rejected the final offer hence nothing further to discuss.

Answer to the post above yours (mine).

Dated 3rd of May, months after we rejected the last offer, Fisher come out, says ACL rejected offer to come back to the table and ACL have been silent (because it's incredibly likely to be true, why would they be silent if it wasn't true?) and for all we know, a deal could've been struck.

People are ignoring this because its convent for them, so I'll carry on with the same rhetoric so people get the truth.

sky blue zam · May 29, 2013

just let them have cody but apparently we arent being told the whole truth, noggin seems to have it spot on

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

sky blue zam said:
just let them have cody but apparently we arent being told the whole truth, noggin seems to have it spot on

Clearly not the case, you can ignore it as much as you like, but that'd be ignoring the truth because if Fisher's statement was false, ACL would've came out and denied it - but they haven't, the silence is deafening.

James Smith · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
I can do one better:

Bit of spin, but the last line interests me.

But the lawyers acting for ACL did respond, same day.

James Powell of law firm Walker Morris via BBC site said:
"Indeed, ACL has already committed a significant level of funding to ensure that the pitch is improved for next season, after the club ceased to commit investment in the pitch towards the end of last season.
"So that there can be no doubt whatsoever among Sky Blues fans, ACL would be delighted for Coventry City Football Club to play at the Ricoh Arena next season. Nobody connected to the football club has yet approached ACL in this regard."

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/england/22396786

Same Lawyer via Cove Telegraph said:
“Previous statements have been made on behalf of Coventry City Football Club (Holdings) Limited, who implied that they owned the football club.
"We have asked Holdings to provide evidence for this assertion and they have refused to respond.
"We note today’s statement by Mr Fisher does not now purport to be on behalf of Holdings.

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-look-new-ground-3408250

sky blue zam · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Answer to the post above yours (mine).

Dated 3rd of May, months after we rejected the last offer, Fisher come out, says ACL rejected offer to come back to the table and ACL have been silent (because it's incredibly likely to be true, why would they be silent if it wasn't true?) and for all we know, a deal could've been struck.

People are ignoring this because its convent for them, so I'll carry on with the same rhetoric so people get the truth.

whats to negociate, acl said that was their final offer, many on here said we shouldve taken it but yet timmy still wanted to get more of a cut in rent... after admitting he tried to bankrupt acl

TheRoyalScam · May 29, 2013

29th January 2013 - ACL/Higgs/CCCouncil/SISU/CCFC shake hands on heads of terms for a rent reduction from £1.3m to £400k/annum, with other reductions (escrow a/c, repayment of debt over many years etc).........

The following day (after advice from SISU's queen of debt) Fisher admits he never had the authority (as CEO??? - shadow directorship going on here if ever I saw it) to agree and they wanted to renegotiate.

ACL, sick and tired of all the prevarication by SISU - 'It's like trying to nail jelly to a wall'.

Yet SBTaylor (posting more drivel seeing as it's half-term) thinks a brief ITV synopsis 'proves' that ACL are playing hardball, and poor SISU are misunderstood and hard done by.:facepalm:

At the moment it's all irrelevant - CCFC Ltd (who hold the Ricoh lease) are in administration, so ACL are entirely correct when they say they will only talk to the Administrator and other interested parties, and not with CCFC (Holdings).

SuttonSkyBlue · May 29, 2013

They are refusing to negotiate with them because they (CCFC LTD) are currently in adminstration, hence why they are currently in discussions with the adminstrator, Paul Appleton. Very simple really.

Noggin · May 29, 2013

SkyBlue_Taylor said:
Answer to the post above yours (mine).

Dated 3rd of May, months after we rejected the last offer, Fisher come out, says ACL rejected offer to come back to the table and ACL have been silent (because it's incredibly likely to be true, why would they be silent if it wasn't true?) and for all we know, a deal could've been struck.

People are ignoring this because its convent for them, so I'll carry on with the same rhetoric so people get the truth.

Months after SISU rejected the final offer and months after sisu had told ACL they were going to move out and wanted a 3 year deal they asked to reopen negotiations, why would acl want to negotiate further than their final offer, you make it sound like sisu had wanted to accept the offer, thats not what reopen notifications means. it means they want to negotiate more and acl had already given a final offer. Sisu could have said acl offered us a deal which we rejected, we now wish to take them up on that deal, had they said this and had acl then refused to talk to them then we should start criticizing ACL, but that isn't what happened.

Bill Glazier · May 29, 2013

As my sweet old neighbour used to say (of wind) 'Better an empty house than a bad tenant, dear'. Anyone could get a better rent deal from ACL than SISU right now.

procdoc · May 29, 2013

sky blue zam said:
whats to negociate, acl said that was their final offer, many on here said we shouldve taken it but yet timmy still wanted to get more of a cut in rent... after admitting he tried to bankrupt acl

Taylor doesn't seem to grasp that once a final offer is made that's it. SISU initially agreed to their final offer then decided against it knowing full well that ACL weren't prepared to bend over anymore

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

James Smith said:
But the lawyers acting for ACL did respond, same day.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/england/22396786

http://www.coventrytelegraph.net/sport/football/football-news/coventry-city-look-new-ground-3408250

That went under my nose, after searching for it as well - annoying, meh.

So we have 2 parties saying 2 opposite things each with their spin doctors on the go - one of them is lying and but worryingly, there's no evidence that either is telling the truth.

Although you put me in my place - kudos - the wider problem is that now we don't know who is telling the truth.

SkyBlueRuffian · May 29, 2013

theferret said:
I agree with much of what was said in that letter. Take the rent issue in isolation and I stand with the club.

You cannot take the rent issue in isolation though, you have to view it in the context of everything else that has happened under SISU, and as we all know, they have been an unmitigated disaster. I just hope we emerge from this mess with new owners, can't stand the thought of this dragging on much longer.

what he said.

valiant15 · May 29, 2013

procdoc said:
Taylor doesn't seem to grasp that once a final offer is made that's it. SISU initially agreed to their final offer then decided against it knowing full well that ACL weren't prepared to bend over anymore

To be fair,he is only ten.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

procdoc said:
Taylor doesn't seem to grasp that once a final offer is made that's it. SISU initially agreed to their final offer then decided against it knowing full well that ACL weren't prepared to bend over anymore

No I have grasped that, but, these 'approaches' were made months after the offer was rejected, now, ACL have been claiming the door is open so when SISU supposedly came back, they could've, for all we know, accepted the last offer.

Mucca Mad Boys · May 29, 2013

valiant15 said:
To be fair,he is only ten.

Bloody hell, I'm a big 10 year old!

Surely it's illegal for me to be working!?

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