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Get VAR in the fucking bin (1 Viewer)

  • Thread starter clint van damme
  • Start date Apr 21, 2024
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Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #106
Otis said:
Nope. In that scenario yesterday, no.

It's such a close call isn't it. So, I think, as VAR, you look at it and if it's that close, you go with the on-field decision. So if the linesman raised his flag, that's what you go with.

There wasn't enough evidence to overturn it. Should be like in cricket.

No clear and obvious error whichever way the officials called it yesterday. Should have gone with that.
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This isn’t in reality how VAR works is it?
 
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Johhny Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #107
Grendel said:
This isn’t in reality how VAR works is it?
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Sadly it’s not. We need a new CSVAR
(Common Sense)
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #108
Grendel said:
This isn’t in reality how VAR works is it?
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Hence why he said ‘should’ multiple times
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #109
glasgowfan said:
So what non-tiny margin would you use? There has to be some sort of limit, and any event at or near that limit would cause the same sort of discussion/uproar
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Limit of if they have to start drawing lines it isn't obvious and they go with on field decision.

We fuck up VAR so much in this country, every time a World Cup or Euros comes around then it is fine.

This time we were just cheated though.
 

Otis

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #110
Grendel said:
This isn’t in reality how VAR works is it?
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No. It would be common sense though to implement it that way.

I have consistently said, VAR needs fine-tuning and changing, because as it stands, it is detrimental to the game
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #111
I work with a Barcelona fan who said they had a goal chalked off against Madrid last night because La Liga don’t use goalline tech, just relying on VAR to see if the ball crosses the line. This being despite the Bernabeu having the technology, they just turned it off for league games.

Why is common sense so hard to find in this sport?
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #112
Otis said:
No. It would be common sense though to implement it that way.

I have consistently said, VAR needs fine-tuning and changing, because as it stands, it is detrimental to the game
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But that’s never going to be the reality - it isn’t in cricket
 

Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #113
Otis said:
It needs to be, Pete.
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Or even have a clear definition of when the ball is deemed to be played
That’s it email doing into John Taylor coo saying he has our full auppprt to ask for pictures and audio and to clarify the playing of the ball as it appears the wrong still is being used
They should demand compensation
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #114
Sky Blue Pete said:
Or even have a clear definition of when the ball is deemed to be played
That’s it email doing into John Taylor coo saying he has our full auppprt to ask for pictures and audio and to clarify the playing of the ball as it appears the wrong still is being used
They should demand compensation
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In order of importance I’d be fine with:

1. Compensation
2. The audio
3. An apology
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #115
Brighton Sky Blue said:
In order of importance I’d be fine with:

1. Compensation
2. The audio
3. An apology
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I think fortunately King and Robins are more sensible than pushing nonsense like that
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #116
Grendel said:
I think fortunately King and Robins are more sensible than pushing nonsense like that
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Pushing nonsense is wanting Robins sacked every season
 
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Sky Blue Pete

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #117
Grendel said:
I think fortunately King and Robins are more sensible than pushing nonsense like that
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What’s nonsense about asking for clarity on the law and some transparency
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #118
Sky Blue Pete said:
What’s nonsense about asking for clarity on the law and some transparency
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It’s bonkers as it suggests a conspiracy and suddenly we along with Forest fight some stupid campaign we can’t win

For the record I think VAR is a joke system and should be scrapped but it’s not a hill to die on
 

Matt smith

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #119
To have that moment taken away because of a toe nail is why var will always be shit.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #120
Grendel said:
It’s bonkers as it suggests a conspiracy and suddenly we along with Forest fight some stupid campaign we can’t win

For the record I think VAR is a joke system and should be scrapped but it’s not a hill to die on
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Nobody is suggesting going down the Forest route of threatening legal action. Just some transparency about what happened and some official acceptance that they fucked up.

Howard Webb apologises on behalf of PGMOL most weeks
 
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Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #121
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Nobody is suggesting going down the Forest route of threatening legal action. Just some transparency about what happened and some official acceptance that they fucked up.

Howard Webb apologises on behalf of PGMOL most weeks
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You said push for compensation?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #122
Grendel said:
You said push for compensation?
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Yes as in the missed prize money not a lawsuit
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #123
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes as in the missed prize money not a lawsuit
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So how do you get that without taking on the EFL and setting a precedent?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #124
Grendel said:
So how do you get that without taking on the EFL and setting a precedent?
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It isn’t the EFL’s competition for a start. We are talking about a winning goal with essentially the last kick of the game. The money is of no consequence to Man Utd either
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #125
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It isn’t the EFL’s competition for a start. We are talking about a winning goal with essentially the last kick of the game. The money is of no consequence to Man Utd either
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Oh ok so it’s the FA and / or Man U you want to take on?

Bit silly and hot headed - hence my original comment
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #126
Grendel said:
Oh ok so it’s the FA and / or Man U you want to take on?

Bit silly and hot headed - hence my original comment
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‘Take on’, it’s a request to be made, nothing like what Forest are doing.

Bit silly and hot headed to want Robins sacked every time we go through a sticky patch yet it never stops you
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #127
Brighton Sky Blue said:
‘Take on’, it’s a request to be made, nothing like what Forest are doing.

Bit silly and hot headed to want Robins sacked every time we go through a sticky patch yet it never stops you
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Asking for compensation isn’t a request - it’s trying to get an admission of wrong doing and setting a precedent
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #128
Grendel said:
Asking for compensation isn’t a request - it’s trying to get an admission of wrong doing and setting a precedent
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Yeah, won't happen and pointless to even try going up that blind alley. Calling for more transparency is probably more realistic, I would love an explanation for yesterday.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #129
Grendel said:
Asking for compensation isn’t a request - it’s trying to get an admission of wrong doing and setting a precedent
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Then we revert to option 2 and ask for the audio
 

COVKIDSNEVERQUIT

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #130
Snake said:
Did Greggs get banned again? What for this time?
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Well you should know.
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #131
clint van damme said:
Yeah, won't happen and pointless to even try going up that blind alley. Calling for more transparency is probably more realistic, I would love an explanation for yesterday.
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Again though it’s questioning integrity and will achieve nothing

it’s not the worst miscarriage of justice in a semi final at Wembley - poor decisions happen
 

Grendel

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #132
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Then we revert to option 2 and ask for the audio
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Why? What will this achieve?
 

shmmeee

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #133
COVKIDSNEVERQUIT said:
Well you should know.
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clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #134
Grendel said:
Again though it’s questioning integrity and will achieve nothing

it’s not the worst miscarriage of justice in a semi final at Wembley - poor decisions happen
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I see it as just providing clarity.

Surely the football authorities would prefer not to have this sort of negative press week in and week out?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #135
Grendel said:
Why? What will this achieve?
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An explanation for a decision that virtually everyone who has seen it thinks is wrong
 

MalcSB

Well-Known Member
  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #136
Sky Blue Pete said:
Or even have a clear definition of when the ball is deemed to be played
That’s it email doing into John Taylor coo saying he has our full auppprt to ask for pictures and audio and to clarify the playing of the ball as it appears the wrong still is being used
They should demand compensation
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Pete, thinking about this, the definition is played or touched, with touched being defined as first point of contact.
There has to be a difference between playing the ball and touching the ball.

For example, a striker is alone in the opposition’s half when his goalkeeper catches the ball from an opponents cross. That is first contact.

The GK holds the ball, only for 6 seconds obviously, during which time the aforementioned striker moves in to his own half. The GK kicks the ball and the striker heads it on to a fellow player who runs through and scores a goal. No one would be saying the striker was offside, would they, but if first contact by the GK was the rule, the striker would have been.

The reality is that, in general, it is when the ball is played. The “touched” element comes in to force when a ball played by player 1 hits (touches, first contacts) player 2 and rebounds to player 3 who is in an offside position.

So, in this case, the offside should have been measured when the ball leaves O’Hare’s foot, which it does in a very unconventional way. The ball hasn’t left his foot when it’s still on or very near the ground. The frame is, therefore, the wrong one. Haji is holding his run and pointing where he wants the ball whilst AWB continues his wrong. Haji is more likely to be onside than not at the point the ball is played to him.
 

clint van damme

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #137
Snake said:
I don’t watch Family Guy so don’t get it
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Not a fan of the new username Boosh, I appreciate you're running out of them but it's a bit aggressive.

Treat people with kindnesssssssss!
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #138
Always liked Baker

 
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MalcSB

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #139
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes as in the missed prize money not a lawsuit
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Sisu batter people in court.
 
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gspotgaz

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  • Apr 22, 2024
  • #140
Another angle found from a Man Utd vlog on YouTube exact moment it leaves o’hares foot. Did VAR fucking photoshop that angle they used or something
 

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