I haven't noticed you condemning the UK media's approach or that of the government with their threats, unless I missed it?
There was plenty of the 'EU is shit' type of posts that you didn't condemn either. I also note that the EU doesn't look like collapsing any time soon, neither does the Euro.
It's laughable that you are trying to target me for impartiality when that is exactly what you have done since day 1 on Brexit. As I said, most of this board are the same. If you took everything that I have said, I have also bashed the government for their childish games too. Remember 'bloody difficult woman'?
As it is there are a strong contingent of this board bashing the UK and sucking up to the EU, even on threads not related to the topic. Of course I take any threatening approaches from the media, the EU, or British parliament equally seriously. The thing is, you know that and you are just trying to push this onto me because I've made a valid point which you cannot argue against.
You're misguided, there are others though where their real agenda shines through quite clearly.
You don't get it do you? I think Brexit will be an absolute car crash, I don't want it to be for the sake of my children, they're who I want the best for, I hope I'm totally wrong and Brexit catapults us to the leading economy in the world, (not that that's going to happen).
But if the negotiators take some Brexiteers arrogance and mis guided sense of Britains place in the world into talks we're going to get fucking rinsed.
Just look at mays visit to India, lukewarm at best. The rest of the world isn't banging down the door to strike up deals with a post brexit UK as quickly as possible, it's a myth. We need a big, fuck off reality check ASAP.
I am not going to be impartial on Brexit as it is clearly going to and already is, starting to inflict misery on the poorest and the most vulnerable within the UK's society. Brexit will only benefit the rich and the elite. I haven't seen anyone on this forum 'bash Britain', unless you mean people speaking out against Brexit, which isn't the same really.
I know you are not impartial. How is it impacting the poorest and most vulnerable though?
The thing is, it is happening. If anyone on here has any constructive critisim rather then bashing then that would probably be a good start.
I was remain by default, better the devil you know, but was certainly open to being persuaded leave was the best option.I do get it. I know Brexit has a danger to collapse and be a complete load of shit. The thing is, it doesn't have to be that way if it is done properly. You may say you are worried about the future of your children, but the way most (not all) remainers come across on here is that you are just determined to see the project fail. You don't believe in it. You think we should be ruled by the EU for eternity and anything else is not an option.
The result is accepted but that doesn't mean everyone who voted remain suddenly has to changed their stance and not ask any questions. Don't agree that there's nothing that can be done about it. Even the EU themselves have indicated the whole process can be stopped.I know it is in a lot of trouble, it always has been because so many people could not accept the result. That is the first hurdle, which by the looks of the election we are slowly getting over, has been a massive issue. Now we are leaving and there is nothing anyone can do about it, the best thing to do is unite and come together and try and get the best future for everyone as possible.
I do get it. I know Brexit has a danger to collapse and be a complete load of shit. The thing is, it doesn't have to be that way if it is done properly. You may say you are worried about the future of your children, but the way most (not all) remainers come across on here is that you are just determined to see the project fail. You don't believe in it. You think we should be ruled by the EU for eternity and anything else is not an option.
I for one do not agree with the current way things are being done, but I also think soft Brexit is nonsense. It's in or out, none of this 'seeing each other' or 'mildly flirting' horseshit.
I know it is in a lot of trouble, it always has been because so many people could not accept the result. That is the first hurdle, which by the looks of the election we are slowly getting over, has been a massive issue. Now we are leaving and there is nothing anyone can do about it, the best thing to do is unite and come together and try and get the best future for everyone as possible.
That does mean putting us first if we have to, although it would be better if all parties could be mature and adult and mutually sort it. We might actually get somewhere that way. That includes Merkel who has been exempt from any criticism from most on here, which is completely ridiculous. With that I am not saying May doesn't deserve any because she is a fucking nightmare too.
You're misguided, there are others though where their real agenda shines through quite clearly.
You don't get it do you? I think Brexit will be an absolute car crash, I don't want it to be for the sake of my children, they're who I want the best for, I hope I'm totally wrong and Brexit catapults us to the leading economy in the world, (not that that's going to happen).
But if the negotiators take some Brexiteers arrogance and mis guided sense of Britains place in the world into talks we're going to get fucking rinsed.
Just look at mays visit to India, lukewarm at best. The rest of the world isn't banging down the door to strike up deals with a post brexit UK as quickly as possible, it's a myth. We need a big, fuck off reality check ASAP.
The falling pound and inflation for starters.
The hard brexit that a few on this forum want to happen is unlikely to go ahead now.
Immediately after the referendum the pound went from $1.49 to $1.29 and bottomed out at $1.22.As for the pound it was collapsing merely on the suggestion Corbyn would be PM at a much faster rate was it not?
How has the falling pound and inflation made life more difficult for the poor? Are you seriously telling me that a Corbyn led government would not have seen inflation rise. As for the pound it was collapsing merely on the suggestion Corbyn would be PM at a much faster rate was it not?
I was remain by default, better the devil you know, but was certainly open to being persuaded leave was the best option.
The problem with the whole campaign, and its been the same since, is lack of any detail. Phrases like 'brexit means brexit', 'hard brexit', 'soft brexit' are thrown around but are meaningless. You've also got people claiming a certain type of brexit was voted for when it was a leave / remain vote with no shades of grey.
Personally I'd like to have seen more debate on remain and reform but that never seemed to be given any consideration. It was remain with the EU exactly as it is today or leave.
Don't think its at all accurate to say anyone voting remain wanted us to be ruled by the EU for eternity or they want leaving to fail. What they would like is to know what are position is going into negotiations? What are we trying to achieve?
Everything we've seen so far points to there not being a plan and everything been done on the fly. Look at the leading leave campaigners, it only took until the morning after and they were all running off distancing themselves from things.
The result is accepted but that doesn't mean everyone who voted remain suddenly has to changed their stance and not ask any questions. Don't agree that there's nothing that can be done about it. Even the EU themselves have indicated the whole process can be stopped.
Would you be against a second referendum when we know what the outcome of the negotiations are? My feeling is we will end up like Norway. Still paying in but without any say. Not sure thats what people who voted leave had in mind.
How has the falling pound and inflation made life more difficult for the poor? Are you seriously telling me that a Corbyn led government would not have seen inflation rise. As for the pound it was collapsing merely on the suggestion Corbyn would be PM at a much faster rate was it not?
It's a shame Cameron was such charlatan and thought he could just get away with it. If the referendum was reasonably thought out and the possibility that we voted to leave considered then it would have been handled entirely differently.
First of all it would have been made binding.
Secondly, I believe, it would have been best to have been in more detail than simple in and out. A 4 question referendum with a first and second preference, or a first and second round with the options:
1. Remain in the EU as it is.
2. Remain in the EU and attempt reform but revisit the issue if no reform takes place.
3. Leave the EU but remain in the common market and retain freedom of movement.
4. Leave the completely, invalidating all treaties and create a new relationship.
If something like this happened then there would be no need for all the shit going on now. It was just staggering incompetence by Cameron to expect the country to go his way and not prepare anything else.
That's on the button LG.
Certainly me (as a leave voter), would have voted for number 2. I bet a lot people would of done so too.
Cameron tried number 2 and returned with his tail between his legs.
That's why we had the referendum.
Oh and number 3 is impossible.
Cameron tried number 2 and returned with his tail between his legs.
That's why we had the referendum.
Oh and number 3 is impossible.
Something like the setup Norway have is a possibility isn't it? We'd have left the EU if we did and thats all we voted on.The fact LG made an option out of number 3 is very worrying. No point in the referendum.
Yeah, that's right. That's why out of the two choices I leant towards leave.
I would have been up for him giving it another go with the backing of the country though.
Something like the setup Norway have is a possibility isn't it? We'd have left the EU if we did and thats all we voted on.
How has the falling pound and inflation made life more difficult for the poor? Are you seriously telling me that a Corbyn led government would not have seen inflation rise. As for the pound it was collapsing merely on the suggestion Corbyn would be PM at a much faster rate was it not?
Which is surely why the assumption negotiations to leave will go in our favour, is naive at best...however when we tried to strike a better deal they did just laugh at us.
Some of us who voted for remain would have quite happily gone for the second option there, too.That's on the button LG.
Certainly me (as a leave voter), would have voted for number 2. I bet a lot people would of done so too.
A vote for that would have strengthened his negotiating hand too...Yeah, that's right. That's why out of the two choices I leant towards leave.
I would have been up for him giving it another go with the backing of the country though.
Eh? But you were all against Freedom of Movement earlier!Well I agree Norway is a better place than we are currently imo.
Cameron tried number 2 and returned with his tail between his legs.
That's why we had the referendum.
Oh and number 3 is impossible.
All the EU had to do was give us a plum branch such as we can control our borders and we would of stayed in the EU. They gave us nothing and Cameron had nothing to offer marginal leave voters so they indeed voted leave and turned the referendum in to a leave win.
I don't think he wanted to get involved at all in supporting the "remain" vote and seemed to be pushed into that corner by the rest of the party. Rather he'd have come out and sided with Boris and Gove if he felt that way.Given his and Mcdonnells views on the EU are far more anti than 95% of Tory politicians I find that a very odd observation.
Fully agree, I was a remainer but with an opinion that the EU was in need of serious reform,Some of us who voted for remain would have quite happily gone for the second option there, too.
It's what's utterly ridiculous. There are the hardcore on either end of the extreme, but most people are not *that* moved by whether we're in Europe or not.
Personally I think we'll see a second referendum when negotiations to leave don't go as hoped. It'd be appropriate then, too. The only issue would be, whether there'd be a rebellious 'fuck 'em' vote which'd say for us to bog off regardless, leaving us in an even worse position!
I do think the mood of the country will change, however, when the detail becomes apparent, as opposed to the wishy-washy populist phrases.
The fall in the pound was because of uncertainty, not because the market doesn't like Corbyn, you absolute loon.
And seriously, you're not sure how increasing the cost of essential goods makes it harder for poor people?
Maybe this type of discussion is a bit out of your league?
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