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Astute

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  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,291
Sick Boy said:
I agree with you, the current state of the NHS is a disgrace. I tore my ligaments playing football a few weeks ago and yhe doctor I saw was ranting and raving about it t me. She had to walk across the hospital to get a print out for me as due to budgets there wasn't one in A&E for her to use for patients.
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I am lucky where I live. The NHS is underfunded like elsewhere. But it can still cope. We have no migrants that have moved here at all....unless you count the Scottish. I got an appointment to see a specialist within 3 weeks. But I went private as I would still have to travel all the time. And I'd had my first operation before them first 3 weeks.
 

Sky Blue Pete

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,292
chiefdave said:
So virtually wiped out applications from overseas and at the same time you have record numbers leaving and a drop in people going into the profession thanks to increased fees and the removal of bursaries. The only people benefiting here, surprise surprise, are the private agencies that cover the shortfall with expensive temps.
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1 in 9 vacancies not filled
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,293
rob9872 said:
That response is so insulting. If you turned that argument to the Asian population in England you'd be called racist and rightly so. The ones being targeted weren't the settlers but generations beyond. You talk about indigenous in the way I'd expect nigel Farage to and I'd bet a pound to a pinch of shit that you hate him. Usual double standards to suit your argument.
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WTF are you on about, why would anyone turn the argument to the Asian population in England,
I don't think they have done anything like what the British have done in NI have they.
Catholics/Loyalists have been treated as 2nd class citizens in their own country for hundreds of
Years, policed by an almost entirely Protestant police force, overlooked for decent employment.
The run down areas in which they live receive hardly any investment, while Protestant areas
Receive investment and improvements in infrastructure.

Admittedly improvements have been made, the peace process has achieved 'so much more
Than an end to sectarian violence, great strides have been made in bringing communities
Together and exacting tolerance between faiths.
This makes it all the more galling that our desperate Government are willing to risk it all in a
Futile effort to cling to power, is this a risk worth taking?

Our historical human rights record leaves an awful lot to be desired, not just in NI but the whole
World over, and we never learn from the mistakes of the past.

So saying the word indigenous makes me like Nigel Farage. LOL:emoji_blush:
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,294
Kingokings204 said:
I do agree but the eu are using British citizens as the same. Worth noting.
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I can have dual nationality in Germany. Very helpful if things go pear shaped. My daughter has dual nationality.
 
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Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,295
martcov said:
I can have dual nationality in Germany. Very helpful if things go pear shaped. My daughter has dual nationality.
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So why on earth have you been moaning for one year?

'If' being the optimum word there by the way.
 
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SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,296
Brylowes said:
WTF are you on about, why would anyone turn the argument to the Asian population in England,
I don't think they have done anything like what the British have done in NI have they.
Catholics/Loyalists have been treated as 2nd class citizens in their own country for hundreds of
Years, policed by an almost entirely Protestant police force, overlooked for decent employment.
The run down areas in which they live receive hardly any investment, while Protestant areas
Receive investment and improvements in infrastructure.

Admittedly improvements have been made, the peace process has achieved 'so much more
Than an end to sectarian violence, great strides have been made in bringing communities
Together and exacting tolerance between faiths.
This makes it all the more galling that our desperate Government are willing to risk it all in a
Futile effort to cling to power, is this a risk worth taking?


Our historical human rights record leaves an awful lot to be desired, not just in NI but the whole
World over, and we never learn from the mistakes of the past.

So saying the word indigenous makes me like Nigel Farage. LOL:emoji_blush:
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Did you also jump up and down with faux outrage in 2010 when Labour desperately tried repeatedly to get in bed with the same DUP?
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,297
SIR ERNIE said:
Did you also jump up and down with faux outrage in 2010 when Labour desperately tried repeatedly to get in bed with the same DUP?
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I think using the word desperate is clutching at straws to be honest.
 
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martcov

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  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,298
SIR ERNIE said:
That's correct. They're concerned about their post Brexit future but as we know that's because Merkel and Tusk last year refused to discuss this with the PM.

The few that are leaving are doing so not because they 'feel unwelcome' but because sterling has fallen 20% in the last two years against the euro so their pay is less attractive.
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What has Merkel got to do with it? She is not a negotiator.
 

SIR ERNIE

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,299
martcov said:
What has Merkel got to do with it? She is not a negotiator.
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keep up mart.

Angela Merkel says 'nein' to Theresa May's calls for early deal on rights of EU migrants and British ex-pats
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,300
martcov said:
What has Merkel got to do with it? She is not a negotiator.
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I think she may play a role tbh
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,301
martcov said:
What has Merkel got to do with it? She is not a negotiator.
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No she's just pulling their strings.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,302
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
So why on earth have you been moaning for one year?
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I also have dual nationality but I also have family who will remain in the UK regardless and their future worries, particularly with regards to my.parents who are in their mid 60s and will never have the luxury of private healthcare.
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,303
SIR ERNIE said:
Did you also jump up and down with faux outrage in 2010 when Labour desperately tried repeatedly to get in bed with the same DUP?
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Never got any further than dialogue, whatever you think an agreement between
Labour and DUP would cause less division in NI than this one will.
However it wouldn't have had my backing, but that wasn't Labour that was New
Labour (Tory lite) not my thing at all, though they got my vote.

Please don't try to gauge my outrage, you don't know me 'aside from ramblings
On here, so you aren't qualified.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,304
Brylowes said:
Never got any further than dialogue, whatever you think an agreement between
Labour and DUP would cause less division in NI than this one will.
However it wouldn't have had my backing, but that wasn't Labour that was New
Labour (Tory lite) not my thing at all, though they got my vote.

Please don't try to gauge my outrage, you don't know me 'aside from ramblings
On here, so you aren't qualified.
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Old labour had an arrangement with them spearheaded by comrade Corbyns idol.
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,305
Grendel said:
Old labour had an arrangement with them spearheaded by comrade Corbyns idol.
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They had good foresight then didn't they, after all the DUP are running our Country in 2017.
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,306
Brylowes said:
They had good foresight then didn't they, after all the DUP are running our Country in 2017.
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No they're not.
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,307
Grendel said:
No they're not.
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Are they not.
 

Ian1779

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,308
Grendel said:
No they're not.
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It's not like they have their own assembly to run is it... after all it's been collapsed for months. Do you really think jumping into bed with the incumbent government is going to help get that assembly back up and running?
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,309
Ian1779 said:
It's not like they have their own assembly to run is it... after all it's been collapsed for months. Do you really think jumping into bed with the incumbent government is going to help get that assembly back up and running?
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They are elected MPs in Westminster the same as the SDP - It's an arrangement for the benefit of the whole of Britain
 

Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,310
Brylowes said:
Are they not.
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So they will have anti abortion and anti gay marriage in the queens speech?
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,311
Grendel said:
They are elected MPs in Westminster the same as the SDP - It's an arrangement for the benefit of the whole of Britain
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FFS you're unbelievable, it's an arrangement to prop up a hideously stretched
And flagging conservative administration, no doubt with lots of sweeteners for
The DUP, it puts pressure on the good Friday agreement, and Fuck Britain.
 
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Grendel

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,312
Brylowes said:
FFS you're unbelievable, it's an arrangement tho prop up a hideously stretched
And flagging conservative administration, no doubt with lots of sweeteners for
The DUP, it puts pressure on the good Friday agreement, and Fuck Britain.
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So what would have been more believable? Jeremy Corbyn throwing sweets to the Scottish nationalists, the liberals, the greens and the UDP?

The conservatives are the party that has the majority in the house by some margin. They have every right to agree with one other party to form a government.
 

Brylowes

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,313
Grendel said:
So what would have been more believable? Jeremy Corbyn throwing sweets to the Scottish nationalists, the liberals, the greens and the UDP?

The conservatives are the party that has the majority in the house by some margin. They have every right to agree with one other party to form a government.
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TBH I thought the Torys beyond redemption before this election, anything they do
After it won't surprise me.
Watching footy now.:emoji_relaxed:
 

dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,314
Grendel said:
The conservatives are the party that has the majority in the house by some margin. They have every right to agree with one other party to form a government.
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They certainly do, and to live with the consequences of doing so.
 
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martcov

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  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,315
SIR ERNIE said:
keep up mart.

Angela Merkel says 'nein' to Theresa May's calls for early deal on rights of EU migrants and British ex-pats
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Yes and quite rightly so. May hadn't triggered article 50 at the time. The uncertainty for people like me comes from Brexit not Merkel. Merkel is not a negotiator for the EU. May wanted a deal before the start of negotiations. The negotiations are necessary because of Brexit not Merkel. The Telegraph didn't like it. So what. Now we can negotiate so let's get on with it. Oh wait..... we had an election which showed people don't like May or her stance on negotiations. We now need more time to write the Queen's speech. What a joke.

Merkel was correct in her interpretation of the procedure, but that doesn't suit your agenda.
 
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martcov

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  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,316
Grendel said:
So they will have anti abortion and anti gay marriage in the queens speech?
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Do you know what they want in the Queen's speech? Or are they just helping May for the sake of it?
 
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dutchman

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,317
martcov said:
Oh wait..... we had an election which showed people don't like May or her stance on negotiations.
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People weren't voting on Brexit, they were voting on which party they wanted to run the country. Many Brexiteers will have voted Labour.
 
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Kingokings204

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,318
dutchman said:
People weren't voting on Brexit, they were voting on which party they wanted to run the country. Many Brexiteers will have voted Labour.
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Correct and labour said in their manifesto we will leave the Eu and free movement will end. Smart move.
 

Earlsdon_Skyblue1

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,319
martcov said:
Yes and quite rightly so. May hadn't triggered article 50 at the time. The uncertainty for people like me comes from Brexit not Merkel. Merkel is not a negotiator for the EU. May wanted a deal before the start of negotiations. The negotiations are necessary because of Brexit not Merkel. The Telegraph didn't like it. So what. Now we can negotiate so let's get on with it. Oh wait..... we had an election which showed people don't like May or her stance on negotiations. We now need more time to write the Queen's speech. What a joke.

Merkel was correct in her interpretation of the procedure, but that doesn't suit your agenda.
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No.

One of the only things that has got in the way of rights of EU citizens and British citizens living in each others territories is Merkel.

Therefore a lot of the uncertainty is due to her. It's not that the Telegraph didn't like it, it is the reality, and you don't like it.

It doesn't suit your agenda to bash Merkel. Come on Mart...
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,320
Kingokings204 said:
Correct and labour said in their manifesto we will leave the Eu and free movement will end. Smart move.
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May is for "no deal is better than a bad deal". Labour is for soft Brexit. Both say we will leave. But as usual, there are people who view Brexit differently. The soft Brexiteers have the upper hand now. Let's see what happens on free movement. I think movement will continue, but not as completely free. There will be some form of protection against benefit tourism. Live and work where you want, but don't expect to be supported indefinitely if you haven't got a job.
 
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martcov

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,321
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No.

One of the only things that has got in the way of rights of EU citizens and British citizens living in each others territories is Merkel.

Therefore a lot of the uncertainty is due to her. It's not that the Telegraph didn't like it, it is the reality, and you don't like it.

It doesn't suit your agenda to bash Merkel. Come on Mart...
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The negotiations have yet to start, so how can you say Merkel has got in the way? Brexit is in the way of my rights, not Merkel. I don't like Brexit as it brings years of uncertainty with it and there is no guarantee that Britain will be better off than before.

The people delaying the negotiations are the British government - not Merkel - who have yet again damaged themselves needlessly. What the hell are we doing relying on a provincial party to enable mainland Britain to have a majority government? The tail is wagging the dog.
 

dutchman

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  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,322
martcov said:
The tail is wagging the dog.
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 13, 2017
  • #3,323
Our Teresa is not just out of step...
Sent from my SM-G900F using Tapatalk
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 14, 2017
  • #3,324
Earlsdon_Skyblue1 said:
No.

One of the only things that has got in the way of rights of EU citizens and British citizens living in each others territories is Merkel.

Therefore a lot of the uncertainty is due to her. It's not that the Telegraph didn't like it, it is the reality, and you don't like it.

It doesn't suit your agenda to bash Merkel. Come on Mart...
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The British hadn't even triggered Article 50 at the time and she isn't a negotiator, why is it so hard to understand? The cynic in me always says that the government knew all of this only too well.
 
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martcov

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  • Jun 14, 2017
  • #3,325
The cynic in me says that the Telegraph were well aware that Merkel isn't a negotiator and that the negotiations had not even started..... just winding the Sir Ernie's of the world up. A bit more hate against the 'opponents'.
 
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