I know a guy who runs a very successful business in a service sector who voted leave expecting leave to mean remaining in the single market. His business relies heavily on employing EU migrants. He found himself in a position in the general election where he couldn't vote Tory because they aren't willing to guarantee the rights of EU workers currently living in the UK but also couldn't vote labour because his business relies on zero hours contracts and couldn't afford the hike in the minimum wage that labour had pledged. I wonder how many more voters found themselves in this political wilderness and didn't vote?
The Tories are running scared and will do anything to avoid another election. Their 'born to rule' attitude they have stinks, as well.
Can you explain how there can be another election?
The Tory and DUP deal won't last and no confidence will be called in the current government.
I appreciate that you are one of May's biggest fans, but she won't last until the end of the summer.
£20 charity bet says that there is another election before the end of 2017.
I agree with some of what you say. But the £3/vote whilst flawed in some ways - for me it showed that people at the coalface want something different, the UKIP experience showed that too.I know that we are not going to see it the same way.
But the way I see it is Labour should have won. Two elections ago the Tories had to jump into bed with the Lib Dems. And that was with Labour having a leader that wasn't trusted by anyone. Brown couldn't even smile in a nice way. The Bliar days were over. He knew that so walked before he was pushed. So bye bye Brown......
So then we got Ed Miliband. Not much better than a wet fart. No charisma. No idea. But the Tories still only just crossed the line with a majority. Lots of Lib Dems had deserted their party for getting into bed with the Tories. They are not Tory voters. But we didn't have a leader to take advantage. Close call but the Tories scraped home.
So somehow we end up with Corbyn. He only got put forward at the last minute to make the leadership race look competitive. He was a 200/1 shot. But there was a call on the internet to pay £3 so you could vote him in. Corbyn becomes leader.
Labour support goes downhill after Corbyn becomes leader. But as the election comes closer reality hits home. And to help a lot of younger voters register and vote for Labour. But the Tories still nearly made the majority. There has been years of austerity which is the norm with a Tory government. They were ready for the taking. Labour wasn't ready with a strong leader yet again though.
I can't see this coalition working. May should walk. But if she does they will put someone in place that will do a better job. They will turn up next time on TV. They will put more effort in. They will have a manifesto that people will vote for. Whereas Labour will have Corbyn. He tried his best. But it only reduced the Tories seats by 12. Yet Corbyn celebrated a victory. I don't want a leader that celebrates losing. I want a leader that can celebrate a win.
What is needed is a leader like Starmer. Someone honest and likeable. Someone with a lot of experience in life. He didn't become an MP for the money. He is respected away from politics. No skeletons in the closet. Labour should get a landslide victory with him. A proper victory to celebrate.
Disagree with the last point. If government funded the tuition costs they could have more control over universities then at present. It could mean they actually tighten up the criteria to study, make it harder to enter university, and encourage more work-based training for jobs such as electricians, plumbers etc.I agree with most of what you are saying about tuition fees. I'd go further and say that free tuition for all would devalue having a degree as 'everyone' would have one. But my point was it's totally wrong and insulting to call it a bribe but allow policies directed at other age groups a free pass.
Disagree with the last point. If government funded the tuition costs they could have more control over universities then at present. It could mean they actually tighten up the criteria to study, make it harder to enter university, and encourage more work-based training for jobs such as electricians, plumbers etc.
Removing tuition fees could actually make a degree of more value.
But then you are saying Mr Corbyn is a liar.
There could be a fair few more prepared to vote Labour instead of a Tory party that is led by a weak, wavering in the wind wheatsheaf.What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?
Corbyn wasn't up against anyone or anything. He has already offered everything he can. The Tories have much more they can offer as they offered us nothing. They had a faceless leader that nobody would know if it wasn't for Brexit. There also isn't a massive amount of young voters ready to register so they can vote Labour this time.
Disagree with the last point. If government funded the tuition costs they could have more control over universities then at present. It could mean they actually tighten up the criteria to study, make it harder to enter university, and encourage more work-based training for jobs such as electricians, plumbers etc.
Removing tuition fees could actually make a degree of more value.
£20 charity bet says that there is another election before the end of 2017.
Some would argue the the Blair years WERE Labour's day...& look at some of the mess that left us with?The Tories are becoming more and more toxic. As a lifelong Labour voter, you must be able to see how a Labour government is far better than the current Tory government? I understand your concerns on JC as I have had them myself but the current government has to be stopped before they completely destroy the country.
Ordinary people are getting tired of the lies and hypocrisy from those at the top and are demanding an alternative, Labour's day will soon come.
Are you going to accept or not?
Must have been lucky in business then.
£20 charity bet says that there is another election before the end of 2017.
He has just said on TV he thinks later this year or early next yearUnless Mr Corbyn is lying there cannot be another election.
I doubt it, the government will limp on till the Tories think they can construct a winning position. I can't see them committing political suicide again!
A guy that runs a successful business that you make sound as only successful because it imports cheaper workers from the EU. On that basis I could run it successfully. And he certainly didn't do his homework very well before casting his vote in the Referendum.I think if the Tories take an approach of soft brexit, even if that means remaining in the single market and remember to look after their core supporters with a different leader and a different approach it may well be a Tory landslide.
I know a guy who runs a very successful business in a service sector who voted leave expecting leave to mean remaining in the single market. His business relies heavily on employing EU migrants. He found himself in a position in the general election where he couldn't vote Tory because they aren't willing to guarantee the rights of EU workers currently living in the UK but also couldn't vote labour because his business relies on zero hours contracts and couldn't afford the hike in the minimum wage that labour had pledged. I wonder how many more voters found themselves in this political wilderness and didn't vote?
Sounds like a bit of a plonker.
Edit: Actually, is this even true? Apologies in advance if I'm wrong, but you have got to be making this up.
But then you are saying Mr Corbyn is a liar.
May called the GE because she said Britain needed certainty, stability and strong leadership following the EU referendum. We have now got none of those things.Can you explain how there can be another election?
Supercilious sodYou seem rather ignorant on British legislation.
But then you are saying Mr Corbyn is a liar.
He has just said on TV he thinks later this year or early next year
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Interesting. Not thought of it like that.
I find it extraordinary you think the great leader would renage on his promise.
Do you think he's lying?
A guy that runs a successful business that you make sound as only successful because it imports cheaper workers from the EU. On that basis I could run it successfully. And he certainly didn't do his homework very well before casting his vote in the Referendum.
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Tony....if May steps down like she should I can't see anything past Boris becoming their next leader.
He may be a buffoon. But a lot of the public like him.
What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?
Corbyn wasn't up against anyone or anything. He has already offered everything he can. The Tories have much more they can offer as they offered us nothing. They had a faceless leader that nobody would know if it wasn't for Brexit. There also isn't a massive amount of young voters ready to register so they can vote Labour this time.
Said this in another thread but worth saying again on this one.
The only hope for the Tories is a new leader, a new manifesto that remembers their core values i.e. not shitting on the elderly, drop the out means out hard brexit bollocks and take a sensible approach to brexit that everyone can compromise enough to live with. She's split the country right down the middle with her rhetoric and become a PM of division. She's the poorest excuse for a PM I've ever seen.
As a regular Tory voter anything less than this and I'm afraid that I'll be voting labour again.
So he's done a u turn after 1 week. Power corrupts eh?
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