Grendel
Well-Known Member
I'm sure there is - that's why I said faux pas
I suspect right now if there's any 'outrage' it's inside Conservative party headquarters!
And millions of Tory voters who would never have guessed who they would have jumped into bed with this time.I suspect right now if there's any 'outrage' it's inside Conservative party headquarters!
Canterbury was pretty incredibleOMG.
So what was incredible then?
Theresa May is 'alone and friendless' in Downing Street, her former spokesman says
Theresa May is “alone and friendless” in Downing Street while waiting for someone to tell her she must resign, her former spokesman has claimed.
From the amount of make-up on her face I reckon he's been beating her black and blue?Surely her husband is still there to provide strong and stable support. Until the divorce papers come through.
In the end this is all hypocritical nonsense
The faux pas outrage is because the left hate to lose.
Which is odd as in this country they should be used to it.
I know that we are not going to see it the same way.Canterbury was pretty incredible
Nobody wants it! There IS going to another election in a few weeks time and Labour IS going to win it. Every senior Tory knows that and none of them wants to be the Tory leader who loses that election. They will force May to hang on till then so that its her career that's buried by the electorate and not theirs.I can't see this coalition working. May should walk. But if she does they will put someone in place that will do a better job.
What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?Nobody wants it! There IS going to another election in a few weeks time and Labour IS going to win it. Every senior Tory knows that and none of them wants to be the Tory leader who loses that election. They will force May to hang on till then so that its her career that's buried by the electorate and not theirs.
I think the issue is that nothing has really changed although the additional concerns that she is selling her soul to the devil with the DUP(or that's how it's being portrayed). Not many of her team have backed her corner in fact some have been negatively vocal. If she is smart she will be communicating a well thought out Brexit plan, anything different from the manifesto front will just get negative press but equally this will be the case for labour (everyone has shown their cards)What makes you think Labour would win in a re-election?
Corbyn wasn't up against anyone or anything. He has already offered everything he can. The Tories have much more they can offer as they offered us nothing. They had a faceless leader that nobody would know if it wasn't for Brexit. There also isn't a massive amount of young voters ready to register so they can vote Labour this time.
I think the issue is that nothing has really changed although the additional concerns that she is selling her soul to the devil with the DUP(or that's how it's being portrayed). Not many of her team have backed her corner in fact some have been negatively vocal. If she is smart she will be communicating a well thought out Brexit plan, anything different from the manifesto front will just get negative press but equally this will be the case for labour (everyone has shown their cards)
If they get rid of May most of the negativity will disappear. If they replace her with someone who isn't camera shy and offers the voters what they want they will gain votes. They are already close to having the majority.I think the issue is that nothing has really changed although the additional concerns that she is selling her soul to the devil with the DUP(or that's how it's being portrayed). Not many of her team have backed her corner in fact some have been negatively vocal. If she is smart she will be communicating a well thought out Brexit plan, anything different from the manifesto front will just get negative press but equally this will be the case for labour (everyone has shown their cards)
But where have I said that a Tory government is better for us? Totally agree with the rest though.The Tories are becoming more and more toxic. As a lifelong Labour voter, you must be able to see how a Labour government is far better than the current Tory government? I understand your concerns on JC as I have had them myself but the current government has to be stopped before they completely destroy the country.
Ordinary people are getting tired of the lies and hypocrisy from those at the top and are demanding an alternative, Labour's day will soon come.
But where have I said that a Tory government is better for us? Totally agree with the rest though.
Personally I am better off under a Tory government. I have private healthcare. I pay less tax under them. But I was brought up as Labour. My kids are better off under Labour. The UK is generally better off under Labour until they spend too much. I vote more for what is best for my kids and grandchildren than for myself. My future is secure. My kids is not. My eldest is 31 youngest 7. Older ones doing well. But the younger ones?
I keep saying that I want Labour back in. And to do that something needs to change. To me that is someone without skeletons in the closet. Someone who can connect with the masses. And to me it certainly isn't Corbyn. Just like it wasn't Brown or Miliband.
But if there is a re-election it won't be with May in charge. She will hold on as long as she can. If she wants what is best for the Tories she will stand back and let someone else take over. The same with Corbyn. If he wants what is best for Labour he will stand back and let someone else take over who is more electable.I believe he has connected with the masses in terms of younger voters, but is having a harder time amongst other age groups.If May carries on though, I think he will gain more votes, albeit through gritted teeth.
If there is another election and the younger voters are offered the same they would most probably see it as a chance to right a wrong. They are not disillusioned by politics and politicians like the majority of older voters.IMO, based on the party's performance in the election, Corbyn deserves amother shot at it. I believe there would be genuine anger amonget younger voters, which could put them off voting Labour in the future.
The Conservatives are increasingly putting their own internal parry issues ahead of the national interest.
If there is another election and the younger voters are offered the same they would most probably see it as a chance to right a wrong. They are not disillusioned by politics and politicians like the majority of older voters.
Labour need to aim for those who never voted for them this time. And that means something needs to change.
Which is more or less what I have said. Yet after all of this the Tories still nearly won enough seats.Said this in another thread but worth saying again on this one.
The only hope for the Tories is a new leader, a new manifesto that remembers their core values i.e. not shitting on the elderly, drop the out means out hard brexit bollocks and take a sensible approach to brexit that everyone can compromise enough to live with. She's split the country right down the middle with her rhetoric and become a PM of division. She's the poorest excuse for a PM I've ever seen.
As a regular Tory voter anything less than this and I'm afraid that I'll be voting labour again.
Nobody wants it! There IS going to another election in a few weeks time and Labour IS going to win it. Every senior Tory knows that and none of them wants to be the Tory leader who loses that election. They will force May to hang on till then so that its her career that's buried by the electorate and not theirs.
Which is more or less what I have said. Yet after all of this the Tories still nearly won enough seats.
If the Tories sort out the leadership and put a proper manifesto together they will win more votes. It is obvious that May cost them a lot of votes.
I think after that result we will see people who were sceptical of him come back to the fold and a much stronger front bench.I quite like Corbyn and think he's a decent guy,Just wish he would change his front bench.
Just wish he would get rid of Abbott,McDonnell,Thornberry and Gardiner.I think after that result we will see people who were sceptical of him come back to the fold and a much stronger front bench.
Just wish he would get rid of Abbott,McDonnell,Thornberry and Gardiner.
They are liabilities,I do like Starmer,Watson,Lammy.
Abbott and Thornberry Just don't do their homework when interviewed.He certainly won't get rid of McDonnell and Thornberry
Must have been lucky in business then.I know a guy who runs a very successful business in a service sector who voted leave expecting leave to mean remaining in the single market.
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