covcity4life
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alot of people who earn less than 30k a year tell me they are voting conservatives lol
Really don't think so.I think this result may be different from what people were expecting...
Nonsense. It's just the ludicrous claims thrown out by certain posters expecting a bite from them... get a bite.
I think some of the debate on here has been a fair bit better than in the media and between politicians. We should get a pat on the back.In fairness to him he is coming from a similar angle to me, doesn't really have a viewpoint on who is best and thinks they're all shit.
Whilst it is very insightful and there is a a lot of good debate here, it's a bit full on in this thread if you aren't voting labour.
I don't mean that in a nasty way at all.
Any idea which way you're leaning and what do you expect the result to be?Day off from work today to sort wedding stuff.
I'll head down the polling station soon but still haven't decided who I'll vote for which is very unlike me.
I think this result may be different from what people were expecting...
alot of people who earn less than 30k a year tell me they are voting conservatives lol
They are... which is why people defend some things.Everyone's entitled to their opinion I guess.
If you get the chance before voting folks...read this
Election 2017: what the parties haven’t told voters
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Is that right? So I should ignore my family to have a debate on if any of them are worth my vote? I say none of them are. Others like yourself pretend there is nothing wrong with Corbyn or the Labour party. But nobody can name any Labour MP's to take them forward. Come out with any problem with a Labour MP and the reply is finding a Tory one which has done something similar so the Labour one hasn't done anything wrong. Then the back pattiing starts. But pick a fault with a Tory MP and all we get is the back patting straight away.At least your consistent in making things up to suit your argument no matter what the subject matter
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Any idea which way you're leaning and what do you expect the result to be?
I'm going to stick a fiver on 50-100 majority for the Tories.
137..,..wondering how many times I have to repeat the Corbyn condemning the IRA quotes before someone actually notices...
Even more worrying is the two main parties don't seem to have a grip on anything. And the Lib Dems were a spent force as soon as they jumped into bed with the Tories.I read a similar blog yesterday relating to Brexit, with source material from both left and right leaning economists. It was pretty worrying to be honest, and suggested that neither of the main parties has a grip on it.
They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks) go for the Labour manifesto. it's very personal.
And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
.,..wondering how many times I have to repeat the Corbyn condemning the IRA quotes before someone actually notices...
Depends what your priority is cc4life.
I think a lot of people in that category know they'll be voting for themselves to be worse off but still see it as a better option than the alternative are offering overall, for whatever reasons that might be.
I think I am going to vote Labour purely based on the fact that when Eddie Izzard was asked how he would describe Teresa May he said she was 'wibbly wobbly.'Is that right? So I should ignore my family to have a debate on if any of them are worth my vote? I say none of them are. Others like yourself pretend there is nothing wrong with Corbyn or the Labour party. But nobody can name any Labour MP's to take them forward. Come out with any problem with a Labour MP and the reply is finding a Tory one which has done something similar so the Labour one hasn't done anything wrong. Then the back pattiing starts. But pick a fault with a Tory MP and all we get is the back patting straight away.
I don't know what is so hard about admitting that all parties are not worth voting for.
Does any party ever fulfill everything in their manifesto during one term?I think the Labour manifesto is definitely better, I just cannot see them fulfilling it.
Yes we know what we have got with the Tories. But we don't know what we are going to get with them over the next term.They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks) go for the Labour manifesto. it's very personal.
And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
What baffles me is people saying you have to go and vote etc etc. What do you actually do if you think all of them are full of shit?
Celebrities going all out telling people who to vote for, no doubt people will vote for somebody based on what a celeb on twitter tells them to do.
I dream of earning less than 30,000.alot of people who earn less than 30k a year tell me they are voting conservatives lol
They are... which is why people defend some things.
Tell you what I do find interesting, is very few (both on the media and on here - with the notable exception of mrtrench, who i suspect would cheerfully do a financial argument for weeks and weeks) go for the Labour manifesto. it's very personal.
And that, to me, suggests worry.
It also worries me, from a personal POV, that scare tactics work. Instead of embracing a positive change, it's well at least we know where we are with what we've got.
Spoil your ballot paper.What baffles me is people saying you have to go and vote etc etc. What do you actually do if you think all of them are full of shit?
Is that right? So I should ignore my family to have a debate on if any of them are worth my vote? I say none of them are. Others like yourself pretend there is nothing wrong with Corbyn or the Labour party. But nobody can name any Labour MP's to take them forward. Come out with any problem with a Labour MP and the reply is finding a Tory one which has done something similar so the Labour one hasn't done anything wrong. Then the back pattiing starts. But pick a fault with a Tory MP and all we get is the back patting straight away.
I don't know what is so hard about admitting that all parties are not worth voting for.
Spoil your ballot paper.
At least you'll be counted in the runout figures, and at least you'll contribute to a suggestion that they are all indeed rubbish and that you're not happy with the status quo.
Not turning out suggests you're happy with things carrying on as they are (which you might be, of course!).
There'll be more, too.I gave you names. Starmer, Cooper, Smith, Lewis are all good politicians and would do a fine job in Government.
Yeah, do whatever you want. Write SISU Out! over it if you like, knock yourself out... it's anonymous, after allDo you just scribble on it? Might do that.
There's that "you must be happy with" line
This is my problem. I have only ever voted Labour before. But I don't have the slightest confidence in the present lot. Tories are only out for the rich. The rest are a wasted vote unless in a marginal seat. This is the worse election I have ever known.What baffles me is people saying you have to go and vote etc etc. What do you actually do if you think all of them are full of shit?
Celebrities going all out telling people who to vote for, no doubt people will vote for somebody based on what a celeb on twitter tells them to do.
It's not a wasted vote. Look at the extra coverage UKIP get this election, thanks to a higher %age last time out. That, then, gives them a platform to say their policies. In addition, it means the next time around, people might not think it's a wasted vote.This is my problem. I have only ever voted Labour before. But I don't have the slightest confidence in the present lot. Tories are only out for the rich. The rest are a wasted vote unless in a marginal seat. This is the worse election I have ever known.
Just write your name on the form. It doesn't get counted then.If you can't give your vote to any of them you can spoil your ballot. Shows you do want to engage and do want to vote but unfortunately no one, in your opinion, worth voting for.
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I think the Labour manifesto is definitely better, I just cannot see them fulfilling it.
I had a really interesting conversation last night with a guy from Warwickshire police I play football with on a Wednesday and I was hoping he might fill me with a bit more confidence to vote labour, but he actually turned round and said their pledge of 10,000 extra police officers was bullshit that could never be achieved.
He's very high up there and I was really shocked at his reaction. I honestly thought he'd be all for it. However the Tories are still going through cuts so it goes back to the drawing board for Earlsdon!
Corbyn needs to condemn the IRA to be honest.
he did. On Sky. But because he condemned both them and loyalist paramilitaries it doesn't seem to count.
The labour manifesto is a horror show. The level of borrowing and the amount of state ownership are st record levels. The hiking of corporation tax will cause widespread chaos and generate nowhere near the revenue needed.
The IFS have slammed it as being dishonest on tax increases and financially irresponsible. It doesn't even deliver enough spending to meet NHS requirements.
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