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chiefdave

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,436
skybluetony176 said:
It's got nothing to do with voting tory or which paper you read. The fact is Tony Blair's government with a controlling majority chose, that word again, chose to relax the constraints of the financial sector. It's was Blair's government that allowed the banking crisis in this country, those words again, this country. It was Blair's government who allowed self certification mortgages, allowing people to borrow five times their wages etc. etc. No one forced them to do these things, they did them willingly.
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Read the Conservatives Freeing Britain to Compete report from prior to the crisis. They wanted far less regulation of banks than Labour implemented in particular mortgages and pension providers. In fact they wanted to completely remove all regulation on mortgages.

Some quotes from the report:

"We see no need to continue to regulate the provision of mortgage finance, as it is the lending institutions rather than the client taking the risk"
"The government claims that this regulation is all necessary. They seem to believe that without it banks could steal our money"
"A Conservative government should relax banking regulation, allowing a new breed of venture/micro-credit institutions"
"Our aim is to liberate the economy from the burden of unnecessary regulations"
"The regulatory burden should be measured and reduced year on year"
skybluetony176 said:
Yes there was a world financial crisis, yes we would still have taken a hit but the choices that Blair and Brown made exacerbated the problem
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Its odd logic when people say don't vote Labour because of Blair and Browns record but also complain that Corbyn isn't a carbon copy of what has gone before.

And even if you accept that it was all Labours fault why has the recovery, under the Conservative, been the slowest and weakest in history and so much worse than pretty much every other country that was affected, the exception being Greece.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,437
Ian1779 said:
I don't think anyone can say that a Corbyn government will be anything like a Blair one.
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Neither was I. There's massive difference. If possible Corbyn will be worse.
 

clint van damme

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,438
HAHAHA!! IDS lets cat out of the bag

 
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Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,439
Ian1779 said:
I don't think anyone can say that a Corbyn government will be anything like a Blair one.
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No it would be more like the bankrupt Union controlled Callaghan debacle from the 70's
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,440
chiefdave said:
Read the Conservatives Freeing Britain to Compete report from prior to the crisis. They wanted far less regulation of banks than Labour implemented in particular mortgages and pension providers. In fact they wanted to completely remove all regulation on mortgages.

Some quotes from the report:

"We see no need to continue to regulate the provision of mortgage finance, as it is the lending institutions rather than the client taking the risk"
"The government claims that this regulation is all necessary. They seem to believe that without it banks could steal our money"
"A Conservative government should relax banking regulation, allowing a new breed of venture/micro-credit institutions"
"Our aim is to liberate the economy from the burden of unnecessary regulations"
"The regulatory burden should be measured and reduced year on year"

Its odd logic when people say don't vote Labour because of Blair and Browns record but also complain that Corbyn isn't a carbon copy of what has gone before.

And even if you accept that it was all Labours fault why has the recovery, under the Conservative, been the slowest and weakest in history and so much worse than pretty much every other country that was affected, the exception being Greece.
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Which is nothing to do with what the Blair government did. They were in with a massive majority they didn't have to pander to the Tories in any way what so ever. They took the decision to relax laws governing the financial sector. The Tories had no say in it what so ever after being decimated in the general election.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,441
Grendel said:
No it would be more like the bankrupt Union controlled Callaghan debacle from the 70's
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Shit. I have to agree with Grendull.
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,442
When tony and grendel agree you know it's a fuckig stupid idea.
 
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chiefdave

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,443
If someone made a TV show based on this election people would slate it for being too far fetched. Some more gems today.

Asked if she was insulting the publics intelligence with a campaign of stupid slogans May replied “I’ve been running a campaign which has been setting out the very clear choice the British people have and the very real challenges the government faces over the next five years. It’s an important chance for our country, that choice is between a strong and stable leadership or Jeremy Corbyn and a coalition of chaos.”

Fallon let the mask slip and told the Telegraph there would be no tax rises for high earners. “You’ve seen our record. We’re not in the business of punishing people for getting on. On the contrary, we want people to keep more of their earnings. The only way they can be sure their taxes won’t rise is to vote Conservative.”

And Iain Duncan Smith defended Mays refusal to debate saying debates didn't change opinion!
 
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clint van damme

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,444
they don't want to punish people for getting on but they do want to punish people for dedicating their lives to public serve, for being disabled, for being old and poor.

No magic money tree that cow told a nurse the other day in response to the nurse telling her she hadn't had a pay rise since 2009, but they found the money to bail out the banks and award themselves £10 grands worth of pay rises since then.

Why any working class person votes for them is beyond me. Our people so myopic as to be swayed by a few tax cuts? I'd be better off financially, but look a the cost to the society we live in. Money better spent on education and health.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,445
Mrs May says we can't pay teachers and nurses in line with inflation because there is no magic money tree. Not a problem, I guess there is no magic teaching tree either. Would be a shame if we all decided to move somewhere that gives a damn about education.
 
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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,446
Grendel said:
No it would be more like the bankrupt Union controlled Callaghan debacle from the 70's
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Are you still voting for the Tories despite them having an ex-IRA member going for election?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,447
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Mrs May says we can't pay teachers and nurses in line with inflation because there is no magic money tree. Not a problem, I guess there is no magic teaching tree either. Would be a shame if we all decided to move somewhere that gives a damn about education.
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She really did comes across as a vile, condescending nasty piece of work.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,448
Sick Boy said:
She really did comes across as a vile, condescending nasty piece of work.
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At the end May couldn't wait to get out, Corbyn wanted to stay longer. Even with an audience hounding for North Korean blood.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,449
Sick Boy said:
Are you still voting for the Tories despite them having an ex-IRA member going for election?
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Gerry Adams could be running for them and he wouldn't care.
 

stupot07

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,450
torchomatic said:
Fucking hell, last night's QT was a blast, wasn't it? Where did the BBC get these stripey blazered 60 plus lunatics who were creaming themselves at the thought of nuking the shit out of another country.

Trident is a deterrent, it will never be used yet these old blokes were desperate for JC to say he would press that hypotherical button.

Press it...press it...PRESS IT!!!! Kill 'em all...Theresa would do it...PRESS IT...
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I 100% agree with you there. And I was pissed off with Dimbleby for continuing to go on about it.

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stupot07

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,451
clint van damme said:
as someone said on Twitter - banging the table for war, but would call the police if a teenager let a firework off in their street!
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There isn't enough police to deal with those type of issues now...

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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,452
stupot07 said:
I 100% agree with you there. And I was pissed off with Dimbleby for continuing to go on about it.

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I do wonder about the nuclear thing sometimes. I used to work with a hardcore socialist member of the SWP and she said she'd never vote for Corbyn because of his position on trident. MAD indeed.
 
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Terry Gibson's perm

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,453
The magic money tree seems to be flourishing when they want to do up the Houses of Parliament, build the unnecessary hs2, when they are only giving nurses the pathetic 1% pay increase they forget to mention how much more they have to pay into their pensions to receive it later. We found some of my wife's old wage slips when she started as a nurse her contribution was about 4% now it is 9.3% to get the same pension.

We had the fat arse Marcus Jones knocking on the door hear but I let him knock as she gave him a right ear full last time.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,454
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Mrs May says we can't pay teachers and nurses in line with inflation because there is no magic money tree.
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chiefdave

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,455
Terry Gibson's perm said:
The magic money tree seems to be flourishing when they want to do up the Houses of Parliament, build the unnecessary hs2
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Or when they want to bomb someone or spend billions on nuclear weapons.
 
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stupot07

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,456
I can't stand Corbyn but thought he was far more confident and articulated what he was about (thre stupid nuke debate aside) and I actually like what he said.

On a side note, I hate the fact the Tories think that only those that earn mega bucks work hard. You should be rewarded for hard work....teachers, nurses, binmen, street cleaners, police, and low paid jobs don't work hard
...ever.

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chiefdave

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,457
stupot07 said:
I can't stand Corbyn but thought he was far more confident and articulated what he was about (thre stupid nuke debate aside) and I actually like what he said.
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Probably because a lot of what he is saying in he believes in. The likes of May are having to work from a script that is being changed because the audience is rejecting the original version.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,458
Sick Boy said:
Are you still voting for the Tories despite them having an ex-IRA member going for election?
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Who?
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,459
skybluetony176 said:
Who?
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Maria Gatland
 

Liquid Gold

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,460
May refuses to rule out income tax rises too.
 

Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,461
stupot07 said:
I can't stand Corbyn but thought he was far more confident and articulated what he was about (thre stupid nuke debate aside) and I actually like what he said.

On a side note, I hate the fact the Tories think that only those that earn mega bucks work hard. You should be rewarded for hard work....teachers, nurses, binmen, street cleaners, police, and low paid jobs don't work hard
...ever.

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He has started to win me over in the last couple of weeks, he is coming across a lot better. His vision for Britain is a lot better and fairer anything that the Tories will ever come up with. It's also been helped by the vile May coming across as utterly clueless, condescending and hypocritical.
 
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Liquid Gold

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,462
My problem with Corbyn was that he wasn't really a leader but he's led an incredible campaign and showed the right of the party to be fools. Depending on what poll you believe he could have the 2nd highest vote percentage of any Labour leader in 40 years. I think he's essentially won the argument that there is a desire for decent social democratic politics in Britain. Prime minister after next will be Clive Lewis.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,463
Liquid Gold said:
My problem with Corbyn was that he wasn't really a leader but he's led an incredible campaign and showed the right of the party to be fools. Depending on what poll you believe he could have the 2nd highest vote percentage of any Labour leader in 40 years. I think he's essentially won the argument that there is a desire for decent social democratic politics in Britain. Prime minister after next will be Clive Lewis.
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Can't see him taking over, I'm guessing it will be a Yvette Cooper or a Keir Starmer. If they revert back to Tory-lite though it will count for little.
 

Sky Blue Harry H

Well-Known Member
  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,464
Haven't read much of this thread. My takings on the two sides. Theresa May doesn't resonate with most 'blokes' nor, I suspect, with younger folk. That said I trust the Tories with the overall economy much more than Labour. Jeremy Corbyn has (slowly) started to resonate more with the public, largely because 'no University fees', taxing the rich, money for the Health service, you won't lose your home to pay for elderly care. What's not to like (I've got a lad who'll hopefully be off to Uni in a few years time), getting older so I can keep my house etc.........yet, I just don't believe that Labour can deliver that whilst running our economy. In opposition you can promise t he world. Not overly impressed by Theresa when being quizzed - suspect she is better 'in office' than on TV. However, had to chuckle when Jeremy, asked by a lady on Question Time, how he was going to force a breakthrough for ethnic minorities. Answer - we have an idea (not a policy yet, though) of introducing anonymous application forms where you don't have to give your name, so the employer doesn't know if it is an African, muslim name etc. What the**** ???????
 

chiefdave

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,465
'We're all in it together'
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,466
Sick Boy said:
Maria Gatland
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She's an elected councillor isn't she rather than someone running for parliamentary election?
 

Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,467
Liquid Gold said:
My problem with Corbyn was that he wasn't really a leader but he's led an incredible campaign and showed the right of the party to be fools. Depending on what poll you believe he could have the 2nd highest vote percentage of any Labour leader in 40 years. I think he's essentially won the argument that there is a desire for decent social democratic politics in Britain. Prime minister after next will be Clive Lewis.
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When I am having I bad day at work I'll read this post again. It made me laugh out loud.

Biggest load of tripe amongst a sea of it on this thread
 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,468
This thread should be called Marxist brothers of the world unite!!
Can you Marxists tell me if you think Abbott,McDonnell,Gardiner,Thornberry and McClusky could be the face of British politics in the world?
 
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Captain Dart

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  • Jun 3, 2017
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Grendel

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  • Jun 3, 2017
  • #1,470
Oh yes MR Corbyn likes the banana republic of Venezuela - a socialist utopia
 
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