fernandopartridge
Well-Known Member
He condemned all terrorist acts.
IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah.
He hasn't condemned any of them. Why?
I'm not saying he is building rockets for them, but it's hardly reassuring or encouraging to vote for someone who appears like this, or acts as if he doesn't love his country very much.
He condemned all terrorist acts.
Ok I will vote Tory because.
1. Corbyn and McDonnell and abbot support terrorist organisations
2.Labour cannot run an economy look at history
3.I hate left wing politics basically and what it stands for.
Did we watch the same programme? Or did you watch the CCHQ approved highlights?
He condemned all terrorist acts.
This is the staple response I am seeing from Labour voters when they are called out.
They cannot defend Corbyn, or a lot of the front bench, they just simply say 'look at the Tories'.
The fact is, Labour are bloody awful. The Tories are also bloody awful, and so are the Lib Dems.
How anyone can passionately get behind any of them is beyond me.
Phew.
IRA, Hamas, Hezbollah.
He hasn't condemned any of them. Why?
I'm not saying he is building rockets for them, but it's hardly reassuring or encouraging to vote for someone who appears like this, or acts as if he doesn't love his country very much.
3. Left wing politics is naive and weak when it comes to a lot of things. It is the notion that everything in the world is equal. I wish it was, but it isn't, and thinking that way just gets you fucked in the ass. I don't think most people here are talking about economic policies actually, it's more the cultural ones. As much as I hate to say it, people are on edge due to events like the Manchester attack and don't think many believe he is strong enough or proactive enough to do anything about it. They believe he is more likely to make it worse.
I praised the manifesto then and I have done so many, many times. It is full of positions which are aimed at benefitting the majority and which have popular support according to any poll done on the matter. What makes the difference is people like Grendel who think that Corbyn is some demonic entity sent to replace the Queen with Gerry Adams.
why the fuck, in the week before a UK general election, are you worried about Hamas and Hezbollah for fucks sake?
And if you're so worried about the IRA shouldn't you be more worried that ex IRA member Maria Gatland is a tory councillor.
Fuck it, I'm joining the tory party, you can literally do what the fuck you want and no one questions it!!
Do these people live in North Islington? If not they're not voting for Corbyn and should probably educate themselves about the UK parliamentary system of government.That's the problem. Most of the Labour policies trump the Conservative ones, but people are not prepared to vote for Corbyn.
That's the problem. Most of the Labour policies trump the Conservative ones, but people are not prepared to vote for Corbyn.
Maybe because I don't want someone in charge of my country who I don't feel has much love for it.
No one has been able to prove me otherwise.
I am not saying the Tories are fine either, but this forum is like a Labour stronghold at the moment, so as a neutral I think I have my rights to challenge them.
Do these people live in North Islington? If not they're not voting for Corbyn and should probably educate themselves about the UK parliamentary system of government.
OK then, lets hear the Tory record on the IRA. I'm all ears.
'I love your ideas, but you're a bit kooky and have stubble, so I'm going to vote for a shafting by this articulate lady over there'
Team Tory can't believe it's luck at having such a gullible electorate.
Except it isn't is it. Social democracy is about a balanced role of state and the free market, and about providing equality of opportunity. If someone gets rich in such a system, good for them. All a progressive argues for is for the deck to be a little less stacked. Right wing economics doesn't work and has led to economic disaster on at least 2 separate occasions. Right wing social attitudes seem good to some until they apply the standards to themselves. If we listened to right wingers in the 60s, being gay would still be a crime. If we listened to them in the 1800s, we would still have slavery.
Progressivism isn't about everything being equal, it's about looking at what empirically works and trying to make decisions informed by evidence. Taking the evidence that building more grammar schools would widen and entrench inequality in Britain, I don't think any more should be built, but it is a Tory manifesto pledge. Other evidence shows that we are subsidising low wages through in work benefits, so there is a Labour proposal to raise the minimum wage and pass the cost from the taxpayer to the employer. There is even evidence in America that shows it would be cheaper to put every homeless person in a home than pay for the costs attached to homelessness.
But no, I'm the naïve one.
He loves Britain enough to say what he'd do to improve it, in a positive way.It is interesting that someone who hates Britain so much and wants British people murdered returns enormous majorities at every general election in his constituency.
What didn't Earlsdon say? Let's blame it quick on the tories. Looks like he was right.
Apart from about 10 posts up where west country says you can't trust Labour on the economy?Yes, you are.
I have said several times, it is not the economic side of things that people question the left wing on, it is the social aspects.
The principles are often naive and stupid.
Yes, you are.
I have said several times, it is not the economic side of things that people question the left wing on, it is the social aspects.
The principles are often naive and stupid.
Yes, you are.
I have said several times, it is not the economic side of things that people question the left wing on, it is the social aspects.
The principles are often naive and stupid.
So you think the tories are serving the vast majority of society well do you?
Could you explain that to me please?
In particular I'm interested in the increased use of food banks by working families, the increase in homelessness and the effects of having the worst wage contraction in Europe bar Greece.
for the third time, the tories have an ex IRA member as a councillor, why are people ignoring this when discussing Corbyn and the IRA?
their was a picture on twitter the other day of two foxes reading a newspaper which had the headline tories to bring back fox hunting, and one fox was saying to the other, I'm still voting for them.
Pretty much sums things up.
Principles like desegregation, decriminalising homosexuality, healthcare and education as a right, not burning people at the stake for witchcraft, that stuff? Let's look at the more socially conservative countries in the world and see if you would rather live there instead. Progressivism isn't about political correctness, and it isn't about communism either. It's about common sense. It used to be punishable by death to own a copy of the Bible that wasn't in Latin. We could always return to those days if you like?
So you think the tories are serving the vast majority of society well do you?
Could you explain that to me please?
In particular I'm interested in the increased use of food banks by working families, the increase in homelessness and the effects of having the worst wage contraction in Europe bar Greece.
Theresa May admitted on national television that there will be no real terms funding increase for schools, but her manifesto contains a pledge for a real terms increase for the military. You have it first hand, they value tanks and fighter jets over educating the next generation.
Apart from about 10 posts up where west country says you can't trust Labour on the economy?
Some of you are losing your minds.
I am not pro Tory, or pro Labour, or pro Lib Dem. I am just asking questions.
This arrogance reminds me of the Brexit debacle. People are not going to be persuaded to vote Labour when they are genuinely on the fence and get such a pitch fork response. I'm genuinely looking for the best overall package to vote for, if anything all this thread has done is make me be wary of Labour even more.
Next Thursday ought to be fun if Labour lose, there is such a defensive 'I'm never wrong' attitude flowing here which is not very nice.
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He said " I condemn all the bombing by both the loyalists and the IRA.” and “I didn’t support the IRA. I don’t support the IRA. What I want everywhere is a peace process,”He said 'all bombing is bad', before refusing to answer a pretty straight question which was 'do you condemn the IRA'.
The audience wasn't selected by the BBC, it was selected by a polling company (ComRes). Their brief from the BBC was an audience representative of the country demographically and politically and included: age, gender, ethnicity, socio-economic factors, party politics, how they voted in the EU referendum and some who are undecided.I'm sure you think it was a fair audience. I thought the BBC was right wing?
And how much of that is down to the media? I've seen a lot of people, when they have seen him give a speech or something like last nights debate, comment about how he came across very differently to how they expected. There is a false version of him being presented by the media.That's the problem. Most of the Labour policies trump the Conservative ones, but people are not prepared to vote for Corbyn.
There's no arrogance, I'm merely asking you to explain your anti labour stance coherently, you haven't.
I've tried to answer all of your criticisms and concerns, all I've asked is that if you refute what I say try to do it logically and without rhetoric, again, you haven't.
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