Liquid Gold
Well-Known Member
I'm not saying it makes my opinion more correct than anybody else's. I'm just trying to point out that saying people voting a different way are stupid or uninformed just because they don't agree with you is bollocks.
I'm not saying it makes my opinion more correct than anybody else's. I'm just trying to point out that saying people voting a different way are stupid or uninformed just because they don't agree with you is bollocks.I don't think having a degree in politics really makes a difference if I'm honest. The one thing that is massively lacking in politics these days, voters and politicians, is common sense.
That was one of the best arguments for leaving the EU... if I had faith we'd negotiate something better ourselves!look at TTIP, that wasn't capitalism, that was greed for greeds sake and at all costs. That's the way we are heading.
there is a sensible alternative, stop so much wealth finding it's way to such a small % of people and institutions. I'm not talking about punitive measures against the rich, just a more sensible distribution of wealth to improve public services and wages and standards of living for working people. I mean working families having to use food banks, that can't be right can it?
The greed is out of control, look at TTIP, that wasn't capitalism, that was greed for greeds sake and at all costs. That's the way we are heading.
I don't think anybody agrees with HS2 do they? The cost and benefit to it makes no sense. Money well better spent somewhere else for certain. I hope they scrap it.
It just needs a change of attitude, both from big corporations and individuals who want to grab the biggest slice of the pie they can and fuck everybody else
The Conservatives said they'd eliminate the deficit by 2015.Borrowing peaked in 2009/10, at a time of economic strife, but the aim was always to bring that down and they are
The Conservatives said they'd eliminate the deficit by 2015.
So what? They missed the target by a few years. I'm not sure why you care anyway, you are willing to lend your support to a party that is throwing the whole notion of deficit reduction out of the window. Surely you were glad?
Hardly a crime that the deficit reduction has taken longer than anticipated. Gordon Brown plundering pension funds and selling the nation's gold when the price was at the bottom of the cycle was a crime. Short memories some people.
So what? They missed the target by a few years. I'm not sure why you care anyway, you are willing to lend your support to a party that is throwing the whole notion of deficit reduction out of the window. Surely you were glad?
Hardly a crime that the deficit reduction has taken longer than anticipated. Gordon Brown plundering pension funds and selling the nation's gold when the price was at the bottom of the cycle was a crime. Short memories some people.
I see no one on here mentioned Gordon browns selling of the nations gold. One of the worst pieces of business ever. He even said who he was selling to and when he was doing it. But shush it didn't happen.
I think you'll find Ferret just mentioned it!!
He didn't have anything else to sell after thatchers closing down sale!
How are Greece getting on these days? Genuine question, I haven't heard them on the news for a while.
Depends how you define progressive. If we view it simply in terms of income tax, then we have a system that you could argue is very progressive and weighted in favour of low and middle earners - even in comparison to Germany (which is itself quite progressive when compared to other EU nations):
UK income tax
£0 £11,500 0%
£11,500 £45,000 20%
£45,000 £150,000 40%
£150,000 - 45%
Germany
€0 €8,354 0%
€8,355 €13,469 14% − 23.97%
€13,470 €52,881 23.97% − 42%
€52,882 €250,730 42%
€250,731 - 45%
I have lived in an EU country (under a socialist government) where both the tax and welfare systems were decidedly less 'progressive' and where austerity measures cut deeper than anything we experienced in the UK.
You say the Labour manifesto is 'fully costed', but that costing doesn't stand up to any sort of scrutiny. The fact they are proposing up to one quarter of a trillion pounds in additional borrowing has to raise alarm bells.
You can pick holes in the record of the Tories in government. There is no escaping the fact that they inherited a mess. Since then we have seen sustained growth, falling unemployment and a reducing deficit. They may have missed their targets in a number of areas, but show me a government that hasn't.
I don't think having a degree in politics really makes a difference if I'm honest. The one thing that is massively lacking in politics these days, voters and politicians, is common sense.
Oh, there was still plenty to sell. Take the effective privatisation of the NHS in the Blair years. Around 100 PFI contracts worth £80 billion. £80 billion for a building programme that cost £11 billion. £4000 for every household in the UK. A cost of £2 billion per year to the NHS. A lot of people got very rich out of that scam. About £100 billion wiped off the value of pensions by Brown, hundreds of thousands denied final salary pension schemes. The last Labour administration did not exactly shower themselves in glory.
Blaming
This is the anti-intellectual age. Polling shows that the less educated people are the more they vote Tory, wonder why.
I don't know, perhaps because they haven't gone to liberal based university campuses and aren't brainwashed with culture that comes with it?
I haven't got a university education, but good old working class common sense told me not to get into the gutter with murdoch, Dacre and their ilk and swallow their poisonous bullshit.
I don't know, perhaps because they haven't gone to liberal based university campuses and aren't brainwashed with culture that comes with it?
Interesting in these troubled times that the FTSE 100 reached a record high the other day.
lol...he forgot the post office though, definately missed the boat there. I'm surprised SISU didn't flag that up, must have been the most under valued sale since the Ricoh lease went to WASPs?I think you'll find Ferret just mentioned it!!
He didn't have anything else to sell after thatchers closing down sale!
lol...he forgot the post office though, definately missed the boat there. I'm surprised SISU didn't flag that up, must have been the most under valued sale since the Ricoh lease went to WASPs?
Seriously though, I'm pro re-nationalising some things, profits going back into the system will help the burden on the public finances. Trouble is, how will Jez and his crew pay for it? I know it's cost effective to wait for franchises to elapse, but its going to cost a fortune otherwise.
That was one of the best arguments for leaving the EU... if I had faith we'd negotiate something better ourselves!
Any trade deal between the UK and the USA would be TTIP on steroids. Maybe one day the penny will finally drop.
Just got another Theresa May leaflet through the door, don't think it mentions the Conservatives once. The proposition of a Labour government is conveyed like a cigarette pack warning.
As I've said, I'm not a huge fan of JC but something in the country needs a radical change. That certainly isn't going to happen under May and any other Tory government.Id take my chances on 60 woodbines a day over a Corbyn administration.
They were never going to meet it and knew it.No it's not a crime, but when a government that's supposed to be an economic safe pair of hands misses one of it's targets surely that should set the alarm bells ringing. The conditions they took over in are irrelevant to the argument, they knew what they were inheriting and made the deficit prediction based on that.
Just got another Theresa May leaflet through the door, don't think it mentions the Conservatives once. The proposition of a Labour government is conveyed like a cigarette pack warning.
Well they've been incessantly told so from the establishment from day one of his democratic election to the post.Sounds about right to me, reckon plenty would agree with that.
I already asked and got nothing. It's like North Korea in SBT land.Could we get a poll to see who Sky blues talk would vote for like the EU thread?
good guys - LabourCould we get a poll to see who Sky blues talk would vote for like the EU thread?
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