Nick
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How much of the protest is people mourning and how much pro protesters?
How much of the protest is people mourning and how much pro protesters?I've got no issue with people protesting for the right reasons (Grenfell tragedy) but the rest on the same day isnt right in my view
The protests should be against the council and contractors, not the governement. If it's true that the council is sat on several hundred million I'm not sure May should be taking that flack for that one !
Exactly ! Three different protest in one day ?!! The two for selfish political reasons, and one regarding a genuine tragedy where answers are needed and people held accountable !How much of the protest is people mourning and how much pro protesters?
The decent thing to do would be to put together a queens speech based on the manifesto they ran on just two weeks ago. If they couldn't get this passed then they can't form a government and should let someone else try. If they can't form a government then another election is called. If I was a Tory voter I'd be pissed off that they're going to try and push on with basically nothing that I'd voted for.
Do you understand anything about how politics works at all?
Ps whatever people think about May (and admittedly she was shite during election campaign) some of the stuff being said, shouted and written about her is a disgrace. All this bullshit on social media that if you don't like someone's party or agree with their policies they're suddenly scum is an embarrassment to democracy and this country.
At least the 2 main party leaders are getting it on the same scale now. You can't complain about May getting grief when you look at the Corbyn has been vilified.
Difference is Corbyn never resorted to vicious personal insults.... that was literally May's only gameplan.
At least the 2 main party leaders are getting it on the same scale now. You can't complain about May getting grief when you look at the Corbyn has been vilified.
Difference is Corbyn never resorted to vicious personal insults.... that was literally May's only gameplan.
People questioned, quite rightly, Corbyn political past. I still don't buy this carefully crafted media image he now has. May is what she is, awkward, probably naturally shy and...badly advised I have to admit he has come across far more people friendly than May during recent weeks. I believe he's also a man of principle.
Does that make him someone I want to see leading the party. No. Leading the country. No. Having to make touch decisions on military action to protect the country...we'll be fucked ! The hypocrisy of questioning May over police cuts following terrorist attacks, knowing full well he's voted against a shoot to kill policy (and 'every' anti terror legislation) that saved a significant number of lives in recent weeks, is also a mark of the man I'm afraid...but knowing that most of the public are too lazy to scratch the surface before jumping to conclusions, I'll also admit he's a shrewd operator !
Protested against the Iraq war - he was right.
Stated in a speech several years ago that if we invaded countries like Libya, Iraq and Afghanistan that if we did not put a proper infastructure in place we (and the world in general) would suffer the consequences of this - again he was right.
Not bad for someone who supposedly knows nothing about conflict around the world.
I'm not convinced Corbyn would make the tough decisions of action
IMO the world we now live does not possess the same type of threats that it did after WWII, Cold War, Cuban Missile Crisis. Things have evolved and as such ISIS is the No.1 threat to the world. We are not going to wipe out ISIS with a nuke.
To hurt ISIS we need to cut off their funding, stop selling weapons to countries that then sell them on. Stop countries like Turkey buying oil for ISIS. These are the kind of things that Labour would do... and the Tories seem reluctant.
It's not blowing shit up all over the place - but how well has that worked??
But question yourself...the tough decisions you refer to - are they tough because you think that attacking a.n.other nation is the brave or bold response? Because that might be construed by many as a 'do as I say' attitude. That is not what it seems Corbyn does. He, it appears, listens & considers - but keeps his the primary/ultimate objective firmly in mind.It's hard to disagree with him on Iraq. I think plenty of people disagreed with the Iraq war (especially once we all found out the evidence the government used as a basis for going to war was bullshit)
It's whether you believe that we (the West) should be the worlds policemen or not. I personally think we should stay out of things unless we (as a country) are threatened, however, I can see arguments on both sides. It's sometimes not a black and white decision ie A decision of inaction now could make it very difficult in future years. People often point to Russia/Ukraine as one of these situations. I'm not convinced Corbyn would make the tough decisions of action
People questioned, quite rightly, Corbyn political past. I still don't buy this carefully crafted media image he now has. May is what she is, awkward, probably naturally shy and...badly advised I have to admit he has come across far more people friendly than May during recent weeks. I believe he's also a man of principle.
Does that make him someone I want to see leading the party. No. Leading the country. No. Having to make touch decisions on military action to protect the country...we'll be fucked ! The hypocrisy of questioning May over police cuts following terrorist attacks, knowing full well he's voted against a shoot to kill policy (and 'every' anti terror legislation) that saved a significant number of lives in recent weeks, is also a mark of the man I'm afraid...but knowing that most of the public are too lazy to scratch the surface before jumping to conclusions, I'll also admit he's a shrewd operator !
To lazy to scratch the surface! The irony of that comment is off the scale.
Whats ironic about it ? I try to be reasonably well informed before I make any political voting decision (I agonised for days/weeks over the referendum vote and continued to do so after). I have voted for both major parties in my lifetime and would do again if I felt their policies were deliverable and right for the country and my family, friends and myself.
If you can say the same fair enough, otherwise as I've said before there's no point having a debate.
People questioned, quite rightly, Corbyn political past. I still don't buy this carefully crafted media image he now has.
Lord Hoho, a complete buffoon, windbag, stuffed shirt.Boris in fine form on Radio 4 today
Boris in fine form on Radio 4 today
What utter crap.
In every single instance Corbyn appears on the right side of history including on 'shoot to kill' which he advocates.
The idea of someone unprepared to 'scratch the surface' and yet jump to the conclusion that he has 'a carefully crafted media image' when he has been vilified by smear after smear defies belief.
Since Sanders in America socialism is no longer a dirty word in politics and, given the global challenges, environmentally and socially, an essential alternative to the neo-liberal idiocy which sooner or later would drag us all under.
Indeed.Imagine if that had been Abbott...
Indeed.
He's a joke, and shouldn't be anywhere near a job, let alone high office.
LOL!I’m no great Boris fan but the fact is that he’s a highly intelligent, principled and proud Englishman.
He even held American citizenship up until a few years agoLOL!
I'll give you intelligent, but the others...
LOL!
You'd almost think he hadn't been sacked from his job for lying, or plotted to have someone beaten up, too.He even held American citizenship up until a few years ago
You'd almost think he hadn't been sacked from his job for lying, or plotted to have someone beaten up, too.
You can hear it, he was gullible enough to let it be recorded!Wait, who did he plan to have beaten up? I'd love to have heard that conversation.
"Could you please remove your glove to this fopdoodle as he leaves the gentlemens bar after a few gins with the eton boys?"
I’m no great Boris fan but the fact is that he’s a highly intelligent, principled and proud Englishman.
Qualities possessed by very few politicians, especially in the Labour Party.
However no of those qualities count because he's also a ‘posh toff’ and that makes him completely unacceptable to the cynical, sniping loud-mouthed lefties in our society and therefore an easy target for ridicule.
<<Lord Hoho, a complete buffoon, windbag, stuffed shirt>>
Well done very clever, hilarious.
Wait, who did he plan to have beaten up? I'd love to have heard that conversation.
"Could you please remove your glove to this fopdoodle as he leaves the gentlemens bar after a few gins with the eton boys?"
No he just abdicated that responsibility to John "what do you call 4 dead Tories" McDonnell
Is the answer Theresa May, Boris Johnson, David Davies and... er... er...
... can't think of a forth Tory whose political career is dead...
... oh, wait a minute. I know. Tony Blair?
What do I win?
LOL!
I'll give you intelligent, but the others...
LOL!
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