General Election 2019 thread (4 Viewers)

westcountry_skyblue · Nov 24, 2019

You socialists keep banging on about austerity but cannot make any inroads into Boris’s,The Conservatives and unionists lead in the polls.
If he was that bad you’d be heading for a landslide but it could go the other way.
What does that say about Corbyn and his socialist policies? If Corbyn was the messiah how come people seem to be rejecting him and his party.
Because If he cannot win after 10 years of so called austerity will labour ever govern again?

stupot07 · Nov 24, 2019

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Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Nah, it meant those old bastards voted us out... Just be honest lol.

They kind of did...where did I say they didn't have the right, genius?

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
You socialists keep banging on about austerity but cannot make any inroads into Boris’s,The Conservatives and unionists lead in the polls.
If he was that bad you’d be heading for a landslide but it could go the other way.
What does that say about Corbyn and his socialist policies? If Corbyn was the messiah how come people seem to be rejecting him and his party.
Because If he cannot win after 10 years of so called austerity will labour ever govern again?

You do see the irony in adding the 'Unionist' part of that title, right? In any case-the fat one has made this all about Brexit when we could've had a referendum before now. He's a pro charlatan who knows how to appeal to the moronic majority. And he's worked it a treat.

westcountry_skyblue · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You do see the irony in adding the 'Unionist' part of that title, right? In any case-the fat one has made this all about Brexit when we could've had a referendum before now. He's a pro charlatan who knows how to appeal to the moronic majority. And he's worked it a treat.

We had a referendum and leave won!!!

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
We had a referendum and leave won!!!

Do you think the union is more or less secure with a shit Brexit and a right wing majority in Parliament?

Ian1779 · Nov 24, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
You socialists keep banging on about austerity but cannot make any inroads into Boris’s,The Conservatives and unionists lead in the polls.
If he was that bad you’d be heading for a landslide but it could go the other way.
What does that say about Corbyn and his socialist policies? If Corbyn was the messiah how come people seem to be rejecting him and his party.
Because If he cannot win after 10 years of so called austerity will labour ever govern again?

Because people don’t give a fuck. The spirt and endeavour that existed in this country post WW2 is lost to history forever.

westcountry_skyblue · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you think the union is more or less secure with a shit Brexit and a right wing majority in Parliament?

Yes rather so called right wing parliament than a socialist/left wing one.Where does socialism work in the world? It’s fantasy politics by Steptoe and his comrades.

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Diane Abbott must have done the sums for the Tory manifesto.

The independent charity Full Facthas scrutinised today’s Conservative manifesto launch.

On the cost of new nurses, of which the manifesto promises 50,000, Full Fact calculates that 50,000 extra nurses at pay band 5 (£24,000 per annum) would cost the NHS £2.8bn a year, when factoring in the costs of national insurance, pensions and training. The Conservatives claim their policy will cost the NHS £879m in 2023/24.

#magicmoneytree they’re best part of £2B out. That’s shocking.

Ian1779 · Nov 24, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
Yes rather so called right wing parliament than a socialist/left wing one.Where does socialism work in the world? It’s fantasy politics by Steptoe and his comrades.

whereas your explanation is fantasy daily mail bingo. Lots of countries in Europe are successful with a democratic socialist approach (Scandinavian countries) - Labour’s ideas aren’t even considered left-wing in countries that aren’t mental like ours.

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

On increased spending, the manifesto pledges £3bn of extra day-to-day spending by the final years of the next parliament - a figure that looks considerably smaller than pledges from other parties. But these figures aren’t necessarily comparable - the Conservatives did not include costings for every pledge in the manifesto; only for new spending announcements made since the election was called. So while the Conservatives plan to increase annual current spending by £3bn compared to what’s already been announced, the overall annual extra spend will be much higher than that. For example, the manifesto spending list omits its headline pledges on school funding, the NHS, and police officers.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
Yes rather so called right wing parliament than a socialist/left wing one.Where does socialism work in the world? It’s fantasy politics by Steptoe and his comrades.

Avoiding the point. Boris' deal has royally pissed off the unionists in NI while Sturgeon is begging for Brexit to be as shit as possible so it boosts her independence case. The fat twat might take 2 countries out of the union in one go.

Astute · Nov 24, 2019

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Considering it was 74.6% and climbing in 2010.......And Labour were in power in 2010.
The Tories wouldn't have made much difference that quickly.
So why didn't the numbers even show that spending was going down before Labour took over? After all don't we like to have a go at austerity on here?

SkyblueBazza · Nov 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
The Tories have one too according to the IFS.

No...they have a magic money tree. Labour have found a whole forest of them

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Ian1779 · Nov 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
No...they have a magic money tree. Labour have found a whole forest of them

Funny you should say that... I hear it’s in the back garden of CCHQ.

SkyblueBazza · Nov 24, 2019

Ian1779 said:
Funny you should say that... I hear it’s in the back garden of CCHQ.

It doesn't have a back garden.

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Grendel · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Do you think the union is more or less secure with a shit Brexit and a right wing majority in Parliament?

More than with a hung parliament and sturgeon pulling the strings of a leader whose whole adult life has wanted a United Ireland? Without question not that I care that much on the issue

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
No...they have a magic money tree. Labour have found a whole forest of them

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The Tories are £2B short on their nurse recruitment pledge alone. That’s before you even get into that 19K of those “new” 50K of nurses are existing nurses so actually they’re only pledging 31K new nurses.

They’ve also omitted from their manifesto spending commitments already made whereas other parties have included them. Only the other parties have outlined plans on how they’re going to raise that money as well.

Philosoraptor · Nov 24, 2019

I think moving the nukes to Coventry canal basin was just an afterthought.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
More than with a hung parliament and sturgeon pulling the strings of a leader whose whole adult life has wanted a United Ireland? Without question not that I care that much on the issue

You don't care if the UK breaks up? Wow

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
More than with a hung parliament and sturgeon pulling the strings of a leader whose whole adult life has wanted a United Ireland? Without question not that I care that much on the issue

You lost your shit the other night when you concluded that Corbyn had said that he would break up the Union. All faux shock and anger, clearly.

Grendel · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You don't care if the UK breaks up? Wow

Well anyone who votes Labour certainly doesn’t - labour confirmed they will give a referendum to the Scots and will clearly want a unified Ireland - so you clearly don’t

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Well anyone who votes Labour certainly doesn’t - labour confirmed they will give a referendum to the Scots and will clearly want a unified Ireland - so you clearly don’t

You just said you don't care either way. Unlike you I have actually voted to keep the union in tact when Salmond posed the question in 2014. The GFA mandates that a Irish reunification will only happen when a majority exists in NI for it to happen. Neither Corbyn nor Varadkar can force them out.

Grendel · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
You just said you don't care either way. Unlike you I have actually voted to keep the union in tact when Salmond posed the question in 2014. The GFA mandates that a Irish reunification will only happen when a majority exists in NI for it to happen. Neither Corbyn nor Varadkar can force them out.

the surrender agreement allows a referendum every 7 years if the Irish Parliament sanction it. Read it - I have several times

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
the surrender agreement allows a referendum every 7 years if the Irish Parliament sanction it. Read it - I have several times

Which is meaningless if there remains a unionist majority. If there isn't, why is it still part of the country? The UK government has left it to fester for decades and you by your own admission aren't bothered. So why cling to it if the majority's gone?

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
the surrender agreement allows a referendum every 7 years if the Irish Parliament sanction it. Read it - I have several times

According to Northern Ireland’s loyalist community the surrender agreement is Boris’ Brexit deal with a border in the Irish Sea.

Grendel · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Which is meaningless if there remains a unionist majority. If there isn't, why is it still part of the country? The UK government has left it to fester for decades and you by your own admission aren't bothered. So why cling to it if the majority's gone?

democracy rules. I would not stand in the way of a referendum - I suspect Corbyn won’t and I suspect Johnson will so I guess you are with Bojo on this one?

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
democracy rules. I would not stand in the way of a referendum - I suspect Corbyn won’t and I suspect Johnson will so I guess you are with Bojo on this one?

Taking aside how the unionists have reacted to Boris' watered down May deal, I'd base it on whether or not there is still a unionist majority over there. Still it's odd for a patent British nationalist like yourself to not be bothered about the Union breaking. For some reason Sturgeon still can't get a Yes majority in the polls right now so that should be refused until it definitively changes.

fernandopartridge · Nov 24, 2019

westcountry_skyblue said:
Yes rather so called right wing parliament than a socialist/left wing one.Where does socialism work in the world? It’s fantasy politics by Steptoe and his comrades.

We had Corbyn's version of socialism practically for 34 years after the second world war, including the longest spell of economic growth ever. Are you really this thick?

fernandopartridge · Nov 24, 2019

Astute said:
Considering it was 74.6% and climbing in 2010.......And Labour were in power in 2010.
The Tories wouldn't have made much difference that quickly.
So why didn't the numbers even show that spending was going down before Labour took over? After all don't we like to have a go at austerity on here?

Factor in that this is 9 years of austerity and there has apparently been growth in GDP for most of those years

Evo1883 · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
They kind of did...where did I say they didn't have the right, genius?

Just have to deal with it won't you mate, it's just the way it is

Walsgrave · Nov 24, 2019

No details of how the withdrawal agreement will be negotiated/its terms in the Conservative manifesto. Far from getting Brexit done (which mind you they have been promising since 2016), we will have more of the same dithering - they will not be able to negotiate an amicable agreement with the EU so I'm afraid it will either be no deal or BoJo will call another election within a few years to true and navigate his way out of a gridlocked Parliament. As if we have not seen this before...

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Just have to deal with it won't you mate, it's just the way it is

I know that's the way it is. Doesn't take away from my right to show frustration with it though.

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

fernandopartridge said:
Factor in that this is 9 years of austerity and there has apparently been growth in GDP for most of those years

I have an idea. Let's vote in a party that will spend hundreds of billions and send the debt through the roof. We could all celebrate that.

The good thing is we could always blame Brexit .

Astute · Nov 25, 2019

Walsgrave said:
No details of how the withdrawal agreement will be negotiated/its terms in the Conservative manifesto. Far from getting Brexit done (which mind you they have been promising since 2016), we will have more of the same dithering - they will not be able to negotiate an amicable agreement with the EU so I'm afraid it will either be no deal or BoJo will call another election within a few years to true and navigate his way out of a gridlocked Parliament. As if we have not seen this before...

Have you been asleep?

The Tories have already got an agreement with the EU.

How about try this one.

No details of how the withdrawal agreement will be negotiated/its terms in the Labour manifesto.

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