General Election 2019 thread (4 Viewers)

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Sky news on an interesting take on Boris’ vision, or lack thereof. Prime minister Boris Johnson's election manifesto is lacking in 'big ideas'
And some comments from Northern Ireland’s loyalist community on the “Boris Betrayal Act”. Ben Lowry: Loyalist protest meeting in Portadown against Boris Johnson’s ‘Betrayal Act’ was packed and angry

Ian1779 · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Remind me again why it is rude to call these people dumbasses?

What’s worse is that a lot of people will believe this to be true,

Astute · Nov 24, 2019

Deleted member 5849 said:
I can see why the Tories have a big lead...

So can I.

Ignore and deflect. Even Labour voters get abuse from other Labour voters. Plans that cost untold billions that can't happen in the timescale given. A leader that won't say if he will campaign for remain or leave. We get told it is the best way to go. Yet those who are 100% Labour whatever seem to want remain and wouldn't vote for a leave party.

I have said all along that those at the head of Labour carry too much baggage. I get told I am wrong. I say Corbyn has no charisma. I get told I am wrong. But we have seen it on TV. Charisma doesn't help leading the UK. But it is needed to get to lead the UK. Boris is a twat. But for some reason people seem to like him. Is it because he has come out with what he will campaign for and has charisma?

Yes the whole thing is a joke. But Labour and supporters have sleepwalked into this situation. Oh yes everything is fine. Won't listen to anything. Anyone who doesn't agree is wrong.

Don't worry. Under Corbyn last time Labour went from a losing position to losing. And it was seen as a victory because a hung parliament was just scraped.

And yes I know I am wrong because I am not praising Labour. Fill your boots with comments. I have had enough of it all.

Otis · Nov 24, 2019

Umm... Missed about 10 pages here and am too lazy to trawl through, so sorry if this has been covered already, but....

Boris is promising all this investment, but is also promising Brexit by the end of January. Every forecast pretty much has the country taking a big hit, even if it is just short term if Brexit happens, so...how can Johnson keep those promises if we are expecting quite a hit to the economy and no-one quite knows exactly how big that hit is going to be?

I think most people accept that a second referendum will result in a remain outcome.

Evo1883 · Nov 24, 2019

Still think the conservatives will achieve a majority... Just

Evo1883 · Nov 24, 2019

Otis said:
Umm... Missed about 10 pages here and am too lazy to trawl through, so sorry if this has been covered already, but....

Boris is promising all this investment, but is also promising Brexit by the end of January. Every forecast pretty much has the country taking a big hit, even if it is just short term if Brexit happens, so...how can Johnson keep those promises if we are expecting quite a hit to the economy and no-one quite knows exactly how big that hit is going to be?

I think most people accept that a second referendum will result in a remain outcome.

Most people don't accept that Otis.

Remain were ahead in all the polls pre referendum, the vocal majority on social media doesn't automatically mean the majority of the country

Grendel · Nov 24, 2019

Otis said:
Umm... Missed about 10 pages here and am too lazy to trawl through, so sorry if this has been covered already, but....

Boris is promising all this investment, but is also promising Brexit by the end of January. Every forecast pretty much has the country taking a big hit, even if it is just short term if Brexit happens, so...how can Johnson keep those promises if we are expecting quite a hit to the economy and no-one quite knows exactly how big that hit is going to be?

I think most people accept that a second referendum will result in a remain outcome.

the referendum result would be virtually the same as last time

Astute · Nov 24, 2019

Otis said:
I think most people accept that a second referendum will result in a remain outcome.

Most people either want to leave the EU or have had enough of this crap so just want it all over. So what chance is there of another referendum? A few more months of talks with the EU. Then 6 months plus to get another referendum sorted. Not most peoples idea of fun.

And on which side it would go? Of course it is just an opinion. I thought leave would win last time and I won a fair bit of money at big odds. I would bet on leave again if we had another referendum. The shouty type are mainly Labour voters. If you just listened to them you would think that it is Labour that has nearly half of the votes. And it is these same people who think remain would win if there was another referendum.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Evo1883 said:
Most people don't accept that Otis.

Remain were ahead in all the polls pre referendum, the vocal majority on social media doesn't automatically mean the majority of the country

Yes the golden oldies turned out in force

Ian1779 · Nov 24, 2019

Astute said:
Most people either want to leave the EU or have had enough of this crap so just want it all over. So what chance is there of another referendum? A few more months of talks with the EU. Then 6 months plus to get another referendum sorted. Not most peoples idea of fun.

And on which side it would go? Of course it is just an opinion. I thought leave would win last time and I won a fair bit of money at big odds. I would bet on leave again if we had another referendum. The shouty type are mainly Labour voters. If you just listened to them you would think that it is Labour that has nearly half of the votes. And it is these same people who think remain would win if there was another referendum.

If you had a comparable turnout to last time in relation to the age groups then leave would probably win again. There would need to be a big increase in the Under 25 vote for it to come back as Remain.

The same in a couple of weeks, if Under 25 voters turn out in force then the current polls are meaningless.

Ian1779 · Nov 24, 2019

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

So the Tories are pledging to cut immigration while recruiting 50’000 nurses many of which will be recruited from abroad.
No one will have to sell their home to fund social care but nothing tangible on how to achieve that.
Get Brexit done and that’s about it.

Oh, no change in borrowing rules or more received in taxes so I guess no end to austerity.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Ian1779 said:
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Just had a look through. Besides the nauseating picture at the end the intriguing idea of raising the starting teaching salary to £30k leaves the obvious question of whether the rest of us see a pay rise of that magnitude or not. If so he might need a bit more than £14 billion to cover the rise...

stupot07 · Nov 24, 2019

What an absolute narcissist. Spot the difference.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

stupot07 said:
What an absolute narcissist. Spot the difference.

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'The Conservative + Unionist Party: Losing Northern Ireland and Scotland by 2024 or your money back'

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Though must say it is odd that the 'Party of Wales' is committed to revoking Brexit even though Wales voted for it.

stupot07 · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Though must say it is odd that the 'Party of Wales' is committed to revoking Brexit even though Wales voted for it.

I think they've lost quite a few business already due to brexit.

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skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Lack of significant policy action is 'remarkable'

More reaction, this time from the independent research group the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

The group's director, Paul Johnson says: "If the Labour and Liberal Democrat manifestos were notable for the scale of their ambitions the Conservative one is not.

"If a single Budget had contained all these tax and spending proposals we would have been calling it modest.

"As a blueprint for five years in government the lack of significant policy action is remarkable."

He goes on to highlight what he says is a notable omission.

"Taken at face value today’s manifesto suggests that for most services, in terms of day-to-day spending, that’s it. Health and school spending will continue to rise.

"Give or take pennies, other public services, and working age benefits, will see the cuts to their day-to-day budgets of the last decade baked in.

"One notable omission is any plan for social care. In his first speech as Prime Minister Boris Johnson promised to 'fix the crisis in social care once and for all'.

"After two decades of dither by both parties in government it seems we are no further forward."

Evo1883 · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Yes the golden oldies turned out in force

And that is their democratic right to do so, also these are the same people who voted us IN

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Universal credit to be continued to be rolled out so no end to food banks and the rise in personal debt to people at the bottom of the ladder.

Otis · Nov 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Universal credit to be continued to be rolled out so no end to food banks and the rise in personal debt to people at the bottom of the ladder.

The people at the bottom of the ladder have never been a priority to the Tories have they.

Flying Fokker · Nov 24, 2019

Evo1883 said:
And that is their democratic right to do so, also these are the same people who voted us IN

Heath et al told lies. Cold War and other issues etc. This needs pulling to pieces but does this mean we no longer need close ties. The EEC was a totally different beast to the one we are in.

Astute · Nov 24, 2019

Ian1779 said:
If you had a comparable turnout to last time in relation to the age groups then leave would probably win again. There would need to be a big increase in the Under 25 vote for it to come back as Remain.

The same in a couple of weeks, if Under 25 voters turn out in force then the current polls are meaningless.

1, How many under 25's would it need that didn't vote last time to double the Labour vote?

2, Do all under 25's vote Labour?

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

It seems that the 50’000 new nurses pledge is being ripped apart already. 12’000 will be through immigration and apparently 19’000 is not new nurses at all it’s the Conservatives hoping that the NHS can hold onto 19’000 existing nurses.

Still, they need thousands of fake nurses to work in the dozens of fake new hospitals.

stupot07 · Nov 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
Lack of significant policy action is 'remarkable'

More reaction, this time from the independent research group the Institute for Fiscal Studies.

The group's director, Paul Johnson says: "If the Labour and Liberal Democrat manifestos were notable for the scale of their ambitions the Conservative one is not.

"If a single Budget had contained all these tax and spending proposals we would have been calling it modest.

"As a blueprint for five years in government the lack of significant policy action is remarkable."

He goes on to highlight what he says is a notable omission.

"Taken at face value today’s manifesto suggests that for most services, in terms of day-to-day spending, that’s it. Health and school spending will continue to rise.

"Give or take pennies, other public services, and working age benefits, will see the cuts to their day-to-day budgets of the last decade baked in.

"One notable omission is any plan for social care. In his first speech as Prime Minister Boris Johnson promised to 'fix the crisis in social care once and for all'.

"After two decades of dither by both parties in government it seems we are no further forward."

Its because they know that the economy is going to tank when they take us out on a no deal brexit in December 2020.

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skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Triple lock on tax 'ties the hands of the chancellor'

Earlier, we told you how the IFS's Paul Johnson felt the Tory manifesto showed a "remarkable" lack of significant policy action (see our post at 4.37PM).

Now we can give you his thoughts on the "triple lock" on taxes - ruling out increases in the headline rate of income tax and National Insurance, as well as VAT, for five years - which he says is a "pretty disappointing kind of promise".

"It's tying the hands of the chancellor," he says.

Mr Johnson says that in order to pay for the increased investment in public services that the parties are promising, "some taxes are going to have to rise".

shmmeee · Nov 24, 2019

Otis said:
The people at the bottom of the ladder have never beebe a priority to the Tories have they.

They’re a lobby group for the richest in society with an ideology that says if you aren’t as rich as them it’s because you’re deficient. They do the bare minimum required to stay in power and that’s it.

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

shmmeee said:
They’re a lobby group for the richest in society with an ideology that says if you aren’t as rich as them it’s because you’re deficient. They do the bare minimum required to stay in power and that’s it.

They serve the billionaires and the millionaires that serve the billionaires. The rest of us are just plebs who should be grateful that master gives us shoes on feet.

Grendel · Nov 24, 2019

skybluetony176 said:
They serve the billionaires and the millionaires that serve the billionaires. The rest of us are just plebs who should be grateful that master gives us shoes on feet.

Have you not always voted Tory?

SkyblueBazza · Nov 24, 2019

Astute said:
One sentence that contradicts itself.

Unless Labour allow unemployed & low paid people access to their magic money forest.

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Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Astute said:
1, How many under 25's would it need that didn't vote last time to double the Labour vote?

2, Do all under 25's vote Labour?

Most of them probably will vote Labour. Not enough to alter the outcome though.

Brighton Sky Blue · Nov 24, 2019

Evo1883 said:
And that is their democratic right to do so, also these are the same people who voted us IN

Really getting tired of people conflating a criticism of people doing something with being an attack on their right to do it

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

Grendel said:
Have you not always voted Tory?

Clearly I’m a millionaire with a conscience then as I’ve switched sides.

skybluetony176 · Nov 24, 2019

SkyblueBazza said:
Unless Labour allow unemployed & low paid people access to their magic money forest.

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The Tories have one too according to the IFS.

Evo1883 · Nov 24, 2019

Brighton Sky Blue said:
Really getting tired of people conflating a criticism of people doing something with being an attack on their right to do it

Nah, it meant those old bastards voted us out... Just be honest lol.

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