Brighton Sky Blue
Well-Known Member
Jo Swinson just got annihilated all over the place there.
Corbyn confirms he will allow the break up of the union and let Sturgeon have her way in 2 years - incredible admission
What I don't get is his strategy is exactly the same as May's. This year's Strong and Stable Government is Get Brexit Done.Johnson is a gift for Labour, SNP, Brexit Party, Lim Dems, Plaid Cymru, Monster Raving Looney etc
He’s just terrible.
He certainly gets away with it in the press but I don’t think he’s gotten away with it from this audience tonight, he’s having a car crash.What I don't get is his strategy is exactly the same as May's. This year's Strong and Stable Government is Get Brexit Done.
But he gets away with it! I'm still no clearer about their domestic agenda!
Yes. Because the leader would want what I want. Being neutral means they could shift either way. It wouldn't be a massive move. If Corbyn didn't constantly previously go on about getting out of the EU I wouldn't be worried.It isn't crap - you argued both of those points I made.
I just want an answer to the question - why is what Corbyn personally thinks and would do so important rather than what the party would do? Would you still vote labour if Corbyn said he was for remain even if Labour wasn't?
Tony Benn was further left than the current Labour Party. I'm struggling to understand your point here, he was an intellect yes also part credited with "the longest suicide note in history" which was Labour's manifesto in 1983.
As for the Tories, this is the furthest to the right Tory party we've seen. Pritti Patel, Kwasi Koteng, Dim Raab, Liz Truss are ultra Thatcherites who even wrote a book about utterly destroying the regulations that keep people in jobs with reasonable pay and conditions and consumers safe from harm.
The other thing I'd say about them is that Truss and Raab in particular are thick as mince and make their opposite numbers look like mensa candidates.
I've worked in public service or close to it for 16 years now, the last few years in the NHS. Hospitals are in their knees, with massive deficits being forced to outsource services all over the place, all by quite deliberate design through underfunding.
I've not seen one post yet telling me why I should even consider voting Conservative, not one report of anything in their manifesto apart from the pathetic and misleading "Get Brexit Done" soundbite.
Campaign in favour of remain? When was that?They were responding specifically to the point that Labour would negotiate a new deal and then campaign against that deal in favour of remain. That was their position when they announced the policy that they seem to have backtracked on.
Jo Swinson is showing why Labour being relatively non-committal on Brexit isn't that bad. Getting it in the neck from both leavers and remainers.
On that subject she could say about unlaterally voting "if LD got a Commons majority you could clearly take that as a mandate that the country wanted to revoke Brexit". If anything it'd be a stronger mandate than a small majority in a 2nd ref IMO.
Yes. Because the leader would want what I want. Being neutral means they could shift either way. It wouldn't be a massive move. If Corbyn didn't constantly previously go on about getting out of the EU I wouldn't be worried.
Why is it that it is noticeable everywhere but on here?
Thanks for the straight answer but to me that makes no sense. One MP would say he was campaigning for what you wanted. The party overall could be totally against that and 200+ MP's would vote against it in parliament because of party policy. Yet you'd vote for that party because of that one MP?
One MP? So Corbyn is just an MP now?Thanks for the straight answer but to me that makes no sense. One MP would say he was campaigning for what you wanted. The party overall could be totally against that and 200+ MP's would vote against it in parliament because of party policy. Yet you'd vote for that party because of that one MP?
Oh FFS the policy is neurally stop making an idiot of yourself
Ethnic minorities who vote Conservative must be going through some kind of heretical thinking!
You can parrot the line about this being the most right-wing Tory party in modern times as much as you like, but it just doesn't stand up. There is no evidence for that, not in this manifesto or the last, where is the evidence of this? I smile at those who cry that workers rights are under threat by our EU exit. It is baseless. The EU insist on very modest minimum standards, standards that this country far exceeds, which it has done by choice, are still in place after nearly 10 years of Tory rule and which in some cases hve been strengthened. Take the minimum wage, it is nothing more than an EU aspiration. Italy, Sweden, Denmark, Austria and others don't even have one. We do, it is amongst the highest and is set to increase further. The workers rights argument and Brexit are a fallacy.
We can argue about the cuts, how deep they went, where they were made and the length of time they were in place, and we'd probably agree on much of that. There is, however, a clear sense that this is going to be reversed. The Conservatives are planning to increase public spending considerably and are even preparing to increase borrowing. Perhaps not a much as you would like, but it certainly doesn't fit in with the 'most right wing Tory party ever' line. I just don't know where this comes from. From where I'm standing, it look more like a move back towards the centre, which is where elections are won ultimately.
Well Johnson has an easy ride. It was like an evening at a student union with silly screechy children asking dumb questions
he will not shift from his share of the vote. His real concern will be the car crash that was Swinson - the most ridiculous leader of a party since Michael Foot. Who will vote for that idiot after that?
Labour say they will raise many sort of taxes but only 5% will pay more tax. Not sure how that will work out.2. If someone spends ten years nicking my money and then pledges to return some of it, he's still not my mate.
He was a fat blubbering fool who couldn't hide his disdain for those asking the questions. Of course you will never admit he was shit-even if he literally crapped on the stage you'd find some way of pinning it on the audience. Lost his composure early on and the hostility in the crowd for his bullshit was palpable
Labour say they will raise many sort of taxes but only 5% will pay more tax. Not sure how that will work out.
Is that a serious comment, surely not? If so, that's incredibly condescending. Are you suggesting that people from ethnic minorities should all subscribe to the same world view and not think for themselves? If an Asian small business owner votes Conservative because, rightly or wrongly, they believe they are more sympathetic to small business and enterprise, then surely that's not a betrayal of their race, and is merely a case of that individual making their own democratic choice? Besides, the Tories are some way ahead of Labour with Sikh and Hindu voters, around 50% from these groups voted Tory at the last election. Muslim voters favour Labour by some distance.
NB. If your comment was said in jest or you were quoting somebody else I withdraw the above completely :happy:
One MP? So Corbyn is just an MP now?
the crowd were supposed to be a fair split - at least you acknowledge the clear biases of the audience
were you one of the silly whining children asking the silly questions and thinking they were oh so clever?
Real doctors and nurses asking questions about the environment they work in? People from ethnic backgrounds who are offended by what he says? Struggling parents wrestling with universal credit? I'm sure he's gutted it wasn't just 80k a year man from the other night, but it was questions from people in situations of the conservatives makingWell Johnson has an easy ride. It was like an evening at a student union with silly screechy children asking dumb questions
he will not shift from his share of the vote. His real concern will be the car crash that was Swinson - the most ridiculous leader of a party since Michael Foot. Who will vote for that idiot after that?
Labour say they will raise many sort of taxes but only 5% will pay more tax. Not sure how that will work out.
the crowd were supposed to be a fair split - at least you acknowledge the clear biases of the audience
were you one of the silly whining children asking the silly questions and thinking they were oh so clever?
1. Proposing to increase military expenditure by faster than the rate of inflation, proposing to reinstate a 3 tier education system, maintaining pay cuts for the public sector while indulging in corporate tax giveaways...yeah nothing right wing in there.
2. If someone spends ten years nicking my money and then pledges to return some of it, he's still not my mate.
Amazing what qualifies as 'the centre' in this country
Oh well. So Labour has a leader that isn't a leader then.Yes. He is one MP. The MP for Islington North. He doesn't get all the Labour MP's votes to cast just because he's the leader. He gets ONE vote in the chamber. As leader he has a bigger voice and can influence party policy more than most, but he doesn't just get to choose it himself.
Oh come on, you're better than that. High school debating society stuff.
They're proposing to increase expenditure faster than inflation across many departments, not just defence. Military spending as a proportion of GDP has fallen under this government from 2.5% to 2.1%, it's lowest in history, so perhaps it needs a shot in the arm.
Maintaining cuts for public sector pay? What, you're basing your argument on a GMB scare story? Manifesto out at the weekend, let's see.
Corporate tax giveaway? It's not a giveaway. Corporation tax cuts are set to be deferred in any case. We do have low rates, but we also have record levels of overseas investment and records revenues, it's a balancing act. Are you suggesting that Ireland is far right because of its ultra-low corporation tax rate?
Yes, it is amazing how some people define the centre in this country.
It was fair. The majority of the country thinks Boris is a c**t. In that respect the audience was perfectly balanced.the crowd were supposed to be a fair split - at least you acknowledge the clear biases of the audience
were you one of the silly whining children asking the silly questions and thinking they were oh so clever?
What do you think of Labour saying that only 5% will pay more tax?What do you think of the dude on over £80k claiming to not be in even the top 50% of earners?
That’s with regards to income tax.Labour say they will raise many sort of taxes but only 5% will pay more tax. Not sure how that will work out.
The Tories have a leader who is neither a party member or an elected MP.Oh well. So Labour has a leader that isn't a leader then.
What do you think of Labour saying that only 5% will pay more tax?
Yes there are deluded Tories. And a lot of them. But this doesn't mean we shouldn't look at anyone else. We shouldn't believe the bluster.
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