Which is why people coin the phrase about the 'tail wagging the dog'Agreed. I don't get the obsession over what his personal stance is when he has repeatedly said its down to the will of the party not his personal preference. Surely thats what a party leader should do by default or is the preference to have some sort of dictatorship?
The Remain friendly CBI are not keen on labours manifesto!!
Behaviour will only change if there is a financial incentive. If businesses are selling £x & making £y profit margin on it. You can change whatever you want...the investor will still only invest if they make £y. If they don't invest the business is unviable & therefore doomed.
The first thing we have to change is the ROI expectation.
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You’re looking at it the wrong way round. Don’t get me wrong, long-term I agree with that premise but short-term the point is that if the cost of oil goes up due to the associated tax (as you would expect to be the case) either companies take a hit on margin or they switch to cheaper alternatives. The entire policy is built around reducing our reliance on oil as a society and investing in making more sustainable alternatives cheaper. Like someone has touched on before, the real incentive for private entities to invest in green alternatives is to make it financially beneficial for them to switch.
I agree with the premise and the underlying aim but realistically, in the meantime, the consumer will pay (until those alternatives are readily available).
ps and that’s not even going into the impact on pension schemes which will have a significant exposure to these companies and are likely to be hit
So where did I ask what he would vote for? You know I had been saying which way he would campaign for. Would he campaign for leave like he has always wanted or remain like most MP's seem to want.The LABOUR position is campaign remain in a 2nd ref (although it's being whispered rather than shouted). Corbyn's personal position I admit I don't know. But it's the party policy that matters. As for whether that will result in remain is another point because as they say it's 2nd ref and abide by result. But even leave in their case is likely to be a soft Brexit.
This is what you said
You said you wanted to know what Corbyn will do, hence the 'how an old man will vote'. The important thing is what LABOUR PARTY POLICY is, not that of an individual. For all I know Corbyn himself may well vote Leave in another referendum, but it's not particularly relevant if the party position is to campaign for remain.
Then it’s a higher cost. Deal with it or find something else that does the same job. Basic economic method of tackling negative externalities. If there is a gap in the market then there will be development of products to fill that gap.
Take your point on pension funds but ultimately you could use that argument with anything. Fact is, a lot of the multinationals are not environmentally sustainable. They have to change or people like me won’t get the opportunity to draw my pension due to climate disaster.
Out of interest, if you like a lot of what he's saying, how can he be far too left for you?Corbyn was at my work today in my office ..presenting his manifesto .. so had a listen. I really like a lot of what he’s saying but he’s far too left for me and won’t commit either way on Brexit. Bizarrely there was a man dressed as a tree heckling him..... But if he committed to stay in Europe he would have my vote..... Corbyn not the tree man
Even the likes of BP are investing in green energy solutions - they will probably end up ahead of the game, so a pension investment in them would be ok.Then it’s a higher cost. Deal with it or find something else that does the same job. Basic economic method of tackling negative externalities. If there is a gap in the market then there will be development of products to fill that gap.
Take your point on pension funds but ultimately you could use that argument with anything. Fact is, a lot of the multinationals are not environmentally sustainable. They have to change or people like me won’t get the opportunity to draw my pension due to climate disaster.
But there will always be a lag. For example the electric vehicle is available but they are currently expensive and not in reach of a majority of the public (not just the base cost the cost of chopping in your old car, it’s not a priority for the average man/woman). A majority of people will still be driving petrol and diesel in five years. Most logistics and transport firms will have petrol/diesel fleets, therefore any increases will flow into product prices.
Tax oil companies now and costs will be passed onto public/consumer, probably hitting people who can least afford it most.
As I say, the premise and underlying aim is one I 100% agree with (we need to move to cleaner energy production/usage quickly) but let’s not kid ourselves it wont cost us all to do this. I’ve always thought pushing people towards public transport is the key but successive governments haven’t done enough in this area.
This ‘the manifesto will only cost the top 5%, billionaires, tech firms and oil companies’ is nonsense
Just read the Labour manifesto - it’s going to be used for the next Citizen Smith script
Out of interest, if you like a lot of what he's saying, how can he be far too left for you?
All I'll say on Brexit is that his position gives the opportunity for Remain. That's denied by Johnson's position.
That’s pretty much where I was in 2017. Since then however I’ve read up a lot on socialism, especially the Nordic Model that’s largely adopted in the happiest countries in the world and have had a road to Damascus convertion from Tory voter to socialist. On that front Labour is about as near as it gets in the U.K.It’s the election options from hell. I never thought it would happen but I think all things considered it’s a labour vote for me. Let’s hope they avoid any illegal wars and catastrophic immigration policies this time. I do feel it’s the best chance for a sensible Brexit solution and removal of some of the inequality in society at least
So where did I ask what he would vote for? You know I had been saying which way he would campaign for. Would he campaign for leave like he has always wanted or remain like most MP's seem to want.
But yes it is always good to twist another angle.
Are you in Islington? If not it doesn't matter which way he would campaign. If anything which way your local candidates would campaign is of more importance. Your vote would be for the LABOUR PARTY. So the position that should matter is which way the PARTY is going to campaign. That has been stated as remain. No deal for them is off the table.
I just don't get the obsession with what the party leader would prefer. Alexander, deep down, is a remainer. May campaigned as a remainer. Both have tried to negotiate an exit from the EU.
I don't care about Boris. I won't vote leave and I won't vote Tory.Are you in Islington? If not it doesn't matter which way he would campaign. If anything which way your local candidates would campaign is of more importance. Your vote would be for the LABOUR PARTY. So the position that should matter is which way the PARTY is going to campaign. That has been stated as remain. No deal for them is off the table.
I just don't get the obsession with what the party leader would prefer. Alexander, deep down, is a remainer. May campaigned as a remainer. Both have tried to negotiate an exit from the EU.
It doesn't. The other parties say what they want. Yet I am supposed to believe in what Labour doesn't say.I have the manifesto - where does it say they will campaign to remain?
It doesn't. The other parties say what they want. Yet I am supposed to believe in what Labour doesn't say.
That’s pretty much where I was in 2017. Since then however I’ve read up a lot on socialism, especially the Nordic Model that’s largely adopted in the happiest countries in the world and have had a road to Damascus convertion from Tory voter to socialist. On that front Labour is about as near as it gets in the U.K.
I don't care about Boris. I won't vote leave and I won't vote Tory.
It has not been stated as remain. That is down to the rest of the parties. But there again you keep reading what I haven't said so no surprise you are reading what Corbyn hasn't said.
Or what is your excuse for what he said on TV the other day? Or should I say what he refused to say?
Let's put it a bit more simple for you. There is no doubt that Corbyn always wanted out of the EU. He won't say he will campaign for remain. Yes several have come out with reasons for this. But the reasons are guesses. And you telling me what you think doesn't make up for what he refuses to say.
Again, why the obsession with Corbyn (or any leaders stance for that matter)? Last time I checked it was the Labour and Co-Operative Party, not the Jeremy Corbyn Party.
As I've said before if, for some odd reason, you will only either vote Labour or not at all, and that you don't want an option that might in any way result in leave then you'll have to not vote at all. Your decision is made.
Got any specific policies you think are too left wing?
And it's a pretty soft socialism at that.
The irony is that the Brexit / anti Labour crowd crow about the good old pre EU / EC days, but ignore that in those days Britain's tax rates were much higher AND there were numerous nationalised industries, far more than what is being proposed by Labour.
Which again is the foundation of the Nordic Model. Them poor happy bastards.And it’s underpinned by free market capitalism.
And it’s underpinned by free market capitalism.
Isn’t politics dull
And it's a pretty soft socialism at that.
The irony is that the Brexit / anti Labour crowd crow about the good old pre EU / EC days, but ignore that in those days Britain's tax rates were much higher AND there were numerous nationalised industries, far more than what is being proposed by Labour.
Come on Fernando, soft socialism isn’t quite accurate... renationalisation of various industries and the inclusive ownership fund aren’t soft socialism.
Many of the basic underlying aims/policies are good but then they have just gone too far in these other areas for me.
ps I have no issue with exploring the re-nationalisation of a certain industry if it is hugely underperforming/a mess but I wouldn’t see this as an immediate priority hence the above comment...it is an ideological position being taken. The rail situation (half in half out of private ownership with network rail) certainly needs to be looked at for example but even with this I’m not convinced renationalisation is necessarily there answer. Broadband for free for all (renationalising part of BT) at a cost of tens of billions should not be a priority !
Correct.Again, why the obsession with Corbyn (or any leaders stance for that matter)? Last time I checked it was the Labour and Co-Operative Party, not the Jeremy Corbyn Party.
As I've said before if, for some odd reason, you will only either vote Labour or not at all, and that you don't want an option that might in any way result in leave then you'll have to not vote at all. Your decision is made.
It IS a big issue for me.Does anyone even know how Boris voted? And is there any reason to believe him if he has answered?
Such a random thing. “I demand my leaders lie to me”. I don’t get 21st century politics at all.
Is it just because the media has told people it’s a big issue?
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