You mean he is a monarchist? And you aren't.
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Possibly the most important stat from last night’s debate Corbyn wins clear debate victory against Boris Johnson among undecided voters, poll shows
And this is the problem with this thread.Again, this ultimately boils down to what one defines as clear or unclear.
As mentioned, there isn't anything wrong with wanting to know what one is voting for. But Labour's policy should not be concerned unclear just because it is not stating that it either for or against at this stage. Rather, it will put that question to the people. That's what one would be voting for by choosing Labour.
Being a middle way between two extremes doesn't amount to an unclear position.
Since when has 'brexit' been a long word? It is the only word I remember him saying.So better in every regard except ‘looking prime ministerial’. In other words: posh accent, long words, expensive suit.
And this is the problem with this thread.
I point out that Boris kept on saying that Brexit must be done if he didn't like a question. Questions were asked and not answered. Not one comment was made about this on here. Corbyn was asked questions. He wasn't as good in this aspect as Boris. He just tried answering as though the questions were different. And two of the questions at least could be seen as important. But I point something out about Corbyn so out come the cavalry to defend him.
So now he shouldn't say if he will be on the side of Brexit or remain? It is massive to me. My wife and younger children live in France. They have been there for nearly 5 months now. It is a well known fact that Corbyn has always wanted out of the EU. I will not vote for someone who wants out of the EU. Yes there are other important things. But I will not vote for someone who will or even might be on the side of leave. This is my personal choice.
The 12th is the day I go to be with my family. I finish my last night shift then get in my car and leave for France at 5am. I have a drive of over 800 miles. If he wants my vote he needs to give me a reason to leave late or sort out another way of voting. He had my vote until that fiasco on TV. I have always voted Labour. And as you may have guessed I do feel strongly on the subject.
And this is the problem with this thread.
I point out that Boris kept on saying that Brexit must be done if he didn't like a question. Questions were asked and not answered. Not one comment was made about this on here. Corbyn was asked questions. He wasn't as good in this aspect as Boris. He just tried answering as though the questions were different. And two of the questions at least could be seen as important. But I point something out about Corbyn so out come the cavalry to defend him.
So now he shouldn't say if he will be on the side of Brexit or remain? It is massive to me. My wife and younger children live in France. They have been there for nearly 5 months now. It is a well known fact that Corbyn has always wanted out of the EU. I will not vote for someone who wants out of the EU. Yes there are other important things. But I will not vote for someone who will or even might be on the side of leave. This is my personal choice.
The 12th is the day I go to be with my family. I finish my last night shift then get in my car and leave for France at 5am. I have a drive of over 800 miles. If he wants my vote he needs to give me a reason to leave late or sort out another way of voting. He had my vote until that fiasco on TV. I have always voted Labour. And as you may have guessed I do feel strongly on the subject.
You can’t even argue that it matters to what deal he negotiates and then puts before the people because labour has always been clear that their position is a customs union.But the quandary, as has been explained previously numerous times, is that the bulk of Labour membership are Remain but their core voter base (the northern towns and districts) voted leave. Coming out one way or the other severely alienates a huge bulk of voters. I actually feel that what they’re suggesting is pragmatic and reasonable. I get that you don’t and you want certainty, but I ask does it really matter which way Corbyn campaigns? The previous incumbent campaigned for Remain and lost. Will people be influenced solely by which side he falls on?
Why can’t the Tory Party just admit that Boris got it wrong to Diane Abbott proportions rather than piss around making out what Boris said was right. They’re just lighting a fire under the Boris is a liar stack of used tyres. Chancellor skewered over Boris Johnson's wrong claim he'll give workers £500
For those that can’t be arsed to read the benefit to working people with NI contributions will be £85 next year not £500 as Boris claimed. There is a scenario that it could rise to £500 over time but no timetable so might never happen, although I’m sure Boris would rather be dead in a ditch.
You do realise that the Tories are apparently cutting taxes while increasing spending significantly. If I was you I would wait until all the manifestos are all printed and been scrutinised before declaring that one party needs a magic money tree when early indications are that the Tories will need their own. Ironically also that in the last election the Tories trotted out this line, then promptly found a £10 billion bribe for the DUP.Instead of pointing and calling out the Tories 24/7 why not question some of Labour's policies coming off the magical money tree, won't be fun in a few years when instead of the 'rich' it will be all of us paying much higher tax
Strangely enough most of those who agree with you spent ages telling me that the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain. They constantly told me that I was wrong to say that the majority of Labour voters wanted to leave.But the quandary, as has been explained previously numerous times, is that the bulk of Labour membership are Remain but their core voter base (the northern towns and districts) voted leave. Coming out one way or the other severely alienates a huge bulk of voters. I actually feel that what they’re suggesting is pragmatic and reasonable. I get that you don’t and you want certainty, but I ask does it really matter which way Corbyn campaigns? The previous incumbent campaigned for Remain and lost. Will people be influenced solely by which side he falls on?
Even that’s not strictly true. He was actually attending a meeting of the Wolfe Tone Society in London, a republican organisation where they do indeed pay tribute to dead republicans and apparently these 8 men were mentioned as was an innocent catholic man killed by the SAS. It wasn’t a meeting to specifically pay tribute to any of those men innocent or not, it just happens to be part of the process that the organisation goes through at meetings. Corbyn was specifically there to engage in finding a peaceful solution not to pay tribute to anyone.
Instead of pointing and calling out the Tories 24/7 why not question some of Labour's policies coming off the magical money tree, won't be fun in a few years when instead of the 'rich' it will be all of us paying much higher tax
Strangely enough most of those who agree with you spent ages telling me that the majority of Labour voters wanted to remain. They constantly told me that I was wrong to say that the majority of Labour voters wanted to leave.
But now it has gone full circle. Labour shouldn't say if they are leave or remain because they might lose votes. Does anyone think they are not losing votes by bot saying which way they would campaign?
The leave vote has gone to the Tories as they are the party offering leave. The remain votes have gone to the Lib Dems. They have gone from also rans after getting into bed with the Tories to being in third place and not far behind Labour. If Labour had come out with being remain they would have kept and gained many of these votes. The splinters up Corbyns arse should have told him this by now.
Many people will always vote Tory. Many people will always vote Labour. It is the floating voters they are after. They have floated off to the Tories and Lib Dems so far. If Labour had gone full out remain they would have got most of the Lib Dems votes. Then it would be very close at least. But some refuse to see the point.
He had attended before, so knew that was a regular part of the meetings.
“It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”
his response to criticism of that?
“He told the meeting of the Wolfe Tone Society: ‘I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland’.”
so, that excludes British soldiers and innocent civilians murdered by the IRA then....
If you were a sensible politician, would you have attended such meetings if you didn’t have sympathies to their cause?
Yes. Rather than actual policies announced by a party. Let’s all base our judgement on scenarios we have imagined.
You’re no better than the mental left wing kids that bang on about how the Tories are fascists and want to put Muslims in concentration camps.
Have you seen how much it will cost for labour to implement all of these crazy policies.... head out the clouds shmmeee
Fully. Costed. Manifesto.
It’s not the poor people that have the money Dom. Head out of the rich peoples arses.
As of next month I’m a higher rate tax payer. I approve of Labours tax plans.
Instead of pointing and calling out the Tories 24/7 why not question some of Labour's policies coming off the magical money tree, won't be fun in a few years when instead of the 'rich' it will be all of us paying much higher tax
It’s not the poor people that have the money Dom. Head out of the rich peoples arses.
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Costing attempts are based off projections - I predict they will assume a significant revenue from corporation tax despite evidence tax increases rarely trickle down to the revenue.The Tories are splashing the cash and giving tax/NI cuts without any indication of where the money will come from unless you count Matt Hancocks 'the money will come in the future explanation.
Labour have at least made an attempt to cost their policies.
He had attended before, so knew that was a regular part of the meetings.
“It can be disclosed that for seven years running, while the IRA “armed struggle” was at its height, Mr Corbyn attended and spoke at official republican commemorations to honour dead IRA terrorists, IRA “prisoners of war” and the active “soldiers of the IRA.”
his response to criticism of that?
“He told the meeting of the Wolfe Tone Society: ‘I’m happy to commemorate all those who died fighting for an independent Ireland’.”
so, that excludes British soldiers and innocent civilians murdered by the IRA then....
If you were a sensible politician, would you have attended such meetings if you didn’t have sympathies to their cause?
Costing attempts are based off projections - I predict they will assume a significant revenue from corporation tax despite evidence tax increases rarely trickle down to the revenue.
the coatings I’d share impact schemes will not be factored in GDP
I don’t believe that they will scrap the IHT and do their dumb scheme but the revenue have said it will cost more than any potential benefit
I am a Labour voter. I always vote Labour. But I want my X to go to remain.
So why shouldn't I know what I am voting for?
But you do. IF you vote Labour then you're voting for renegotiating a deal and a second referendum which they'll campaign against that deal (however odd that may seem) in favour of remain. This had been repeated many many times.
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But you do. IF you vote Labour then you're voting for renegotiating a deal and a second referendum which they'll campaign against that deal (however odd that may seem) in favour of remain. This had been repeated many many times.
I always said when the Queen finally goes then this would be time to ask ourselves if we still need a hereditary Head of State.
Have always been a fan of turning ourselves into a Republic.
given the unprecedented nature of Brexit I would say that any projections are a finger in the air job. I appreciate they have to go on something. I'd like to see their working out which I'm sure we will.
Don't think the tories will make the same mistake May did last time.
My daughter is very left wing and would be a natural voter. She said yesterday she will not vote for him. She said she’d never vote for Johnson in a million years but said he’s a leader and Corbyn is a follower
Fully. Costed. Manifesto.
It’s not the poor people that have the money Dom. Head out of the rich peoples arses.
As of next month I’m a higher rate tax payer. I approve of Labours tax plans.
BTW the most regressive tax is VAT and the Tories hiked that. Most of their tax cuts are aimed at the rich. They’ve paid for them through borrowing. Your nightmare has already happened.
I quoted the you gov poll. Keep believing. 18 point gap now isn’t it?
Is it that your daughter is very left wing, or just very left wing in your eyes?
I have friends on the left that see me as slightly to the right because I make the concession that economic considerations have to be taken into account alongside the ideology of what I think would be the best course of action. Do too much too soon and you can cause a lot of short term damage.
On the other hand I've got friends on the right who see me as a raging leftie because I don't think business, jobs, money etc are the most vital (or in some cases only) aspect of political decision making.
I also find it odd that she considers Corbyn a follower when most of his parliamentary life he's rebelled against party orders. Alexander on the other hand will vote on party lines unless he sees a personal opportunity in it for him. Doesn't matter if he actually believes it - just that it will give him a better chance to further his own ambitions - that is not a leader, it's a narcissist.
I think she may have mistaken charisma for leadership.
It is as though some are happy to have Corbyn as leader. But they never explain why an idiot like Boris has a big lead over Corbyn.
The others were not polls they were social media influencedC'mon. Your rebuttal is that you quoted one of the polls mentioned, incidentally the one with few respondents and the only one that had 'Boris' winning?
I don’t believe Corbyn has stated that and the position is just laughable
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