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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,661
Oh dear
Has Johnson got his NI numbers confused?
and the award for the Diane Abbott of the Conservative Party goes to ...
...drumroll...
... the Conservatives Party leader, Boris Johnson!...
...rapturous applause.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,662
skybluetony176 said:
Ha ha ha
Tories ban the Mirror from Boris Johnson's general election battle bus
Snowflakes.
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To be fair they also kept 6th formers from asking him questions on a tour of a school.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,663
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It does. And I keep repeating myself but it falls on deaf ears with you. Usually because you want to start arguments with people trying to agree with you. Complete waste of time.
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I would like to answer you but have answered this several times before.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,664
skybluetony176 said:
Oh dear
Has Johnson got his NI numbers confused?
and the award for the Diane Abbott of the Conservative Party goes to ...
...drumroll...
... the Conservatives Party leader, Boris Johnson!...
...rapturous applause.
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Almost makes his bridge at Stranraer look like a bargain. Almost.
 
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Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,665
Walsgrave said:
There's nothing wrong with wanting to know what one would be voting for. Labour's policy is not a binary option and is predicated on the notion that it will renegotiate with the EU and offer a second referendum. If the British people dislike that deal, then we will be out.

What is unclear about the policy? If voters want a binary choice, then by all means I would suggest that they vote for a different party which has a binary stance such as the Lib Dems or Conservatives, but to suggest that it is not a clear policy would be to misinterpret the rules of the English language.


I'm not convinced this is true, as Corbyn himself has long been a Eurosceptic. Sure, a large proportion of the rank and file will be Remainers but this does not translate to a Remain policy - or else they would have committed to it. Why would they risk losing votes to the Lib Dems/other progressives when they could easily posit themselves as the only realistic hope of a benign Brexit/no Brexit at all?
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So after reading this would you vote for someone that won't state what they will do?

And there is the problem.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,666
Astute said:
I would like to answer you but have answered this several times before.
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OK boomer
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,667
Brighton Sky Blue said:
OK boomer
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I would like to answer you but have answered this several times before.
 
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Walsgrave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,668
Astute said:
So after reading this would you vote for someone that won't state what they will do?

And there is the problem.
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I'm saying that if you want to vote for a Party that has a binary stance on the question of Brexit, don't vote for Labour. But to suggest that a party isn't stating 'what it will do' just because they have a rather more complex policy is a bit fallacious.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,669
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Almost makes his bridge at Stranraer look like a bargain. Almost.
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Almost forgot about the bridge.
 

Astute

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,670
Walsgrave said:
I'm saying that if you want to vote for a Party that has a binary stance on the question of Brexit, don't vote for Labour. But to suggest that a party isn't stating 'what it will do' just because they have a rather more complex policy is a bit fallacious.
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I am a Labour voter. I always vote Labour. But I want my X to go to remain.

So why shouldn't I know what I am voting for?
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,671
Brighton Sky Blue said:
OK boomer
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Ask why he thinks horses love horse racing. He’ll block you and all your problems will be over.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,672
skybluetony176 said:
Almost forgot about the bridge.
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Pointless bridge- £15 billion
An extra £85 a year-£11 billion
HS2-£56 billion according to latest government estimates

Alienating Northern Ireland and giving more hope for Scottish independence? Priceless.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,673
skybluetony176 said:
Ask why he thinks horses love horse racing. He’ll block you and all your problems will be over.
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I was once in the past. There was peace and quiet from a barrage of non-sequiturs and straw man arguments. Then he came back.
 
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Walsgrave

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,674
Astute said:
I am a Labour voter. I always vote Labour. But I want my X to go to remain.

So why shouldn't I know what I am voting for?
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Again, this ultimately boils down to what one defines as clear or unclear.

As mentioned, there isn't anything wrong with wanting to know what one is voting for. But Labour's policy should not be concerned unclear just because it is not stating that it either for or against at this stage. Rather, it will put that question to the people. That's what one would be voting for by choosing Labour.

Being a middle way between two extremes doesn't amount to an unclear position.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,675
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Pointless bridge- £15 billion
An extra £85 a year-£11 billion
HS2-£56 billion according to latest government estimates

Alienating Northern Ireland and giving more hope for Scottish independence? Priceless.
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Don’t they need to make the new technology before build the bridge? Something to do with the pylons needing to be the deepest and longest ever built.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,676
skybluetony176 said:
Don’t they need to make the new technology before build the bridge? Something to do with the pylons needing to be the deepest and longest ever built.
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No pylons-just positive vibes, brah
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,677
skybluetony176 said:
The Daily Mail going with the headline that Boris refused to back Prince Andrew. Obviously missed the bit where he said he was above criticism.
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He actually said "the institution of the monarchy is beyond reproach"

The question was about the Royal Family...not specifically Prince Andrew.

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,678
SkyBlueDom26 said:
He didn't defend him stop lying and trying to make out he did
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They weren't asked about Prince Andrew. They were asked about the Royal Family

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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,679
SkyblueBazza said:
He actually said "the institution of the monarchy is beyond reproach"

The question was about the Royal Family...not specifically Prince Andrew.

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That was the question, not his answer
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,680
skybluetony176 said:
No he didn’t.
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Johnson says monarchy 'beyond reproach'

Click on the video...10-15s in.

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Walsgrave

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,681
Ian1779 said:
Labour have a complex voter base to consider, and as such have always had to try and find a position that could unite two disprite positions.
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...As is true of almost any party in a mature democracy.

If Labour were pure office seekers, then they would not be pursuing a third way route. They lose many more potential voters from the Remain spectrum than voters adamant about the need for Brexit.
 
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SkyblueBazza

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,682
skybluetony176 said:
NHS now rated the number one concern of voters overtaking Brexit.
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Rated by who? NHS staff? Woman's Weekly? US Pharma?

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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,683
SkyblueBazza said:
Johnson says monarchy 'beyond reproach'

Click on the video...10-15s in.

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Watch the whole thing and how his face immediately drops when Corbyn says that before we talk about Prince Andrew let’s think of the victims and the reaction it got from the audience. That was the realisation of a man who’d just said that the royal were beyond reproach when in fact they aren’t.
 

skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,684
It’s been bugging me for a while now who Boris reminds me of. Just switched over to E4 and The Inbetweeners is on and the penny dropped. Boris is a poor man’s Jay.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,685
SkyblueBazza said:
Johnson says monarchy 'beyond reproach'

Click on the video...10-15s in.

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A nose that couldn't be further up royal arse if it tried
 
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Philosoraptor

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,686
I always said when the Queen finally goes then this would be time to ask ourselves if we still need a hereditary Head of State.

Have always been a fan of turning ourselves into a Republic.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,687
skybluetony176 said:
Watch the whole thing and how his face immediately drops when Corbyn says that before we talk about Prince Andrew let’s think of the victims and the reaction it got from the audience. That was the realisation of a man who’d just said that the royal were beyond reproach when in fact they aren’t.
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So Corbyn made it specific AFTER Boris gave his answer. Not sure what you heard. It sounded pretty clear to me

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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,688
Philosorapter said:
I always said when the Queen finally goes then this would be time to ask ourselves if we still need a hereditary Head of State.

Have always been a fan of turning ourselves into a Republic.
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With any justice Charles will sway it.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,689
Brighton Sky Blue said:
A nose that couldn't be further up royal arse if it tried
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You mean he is a monarchist? And you aren't.

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Philosoraptor

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,690
I think there is common understanding that Australia is only hanging around from being a Republic for this reason.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,691
SkyblueBazza said:
Rated by who? NHS staff? Woman's Weekly? US Pharma?

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It’s all over the news. I’ve even provided links in a later post. I can’t help you if you don’t want to read what’s put in front of you.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,692
skybluetony176 said:
It’s all over the news. I’ve even provided links in a later post. I can’t help you if you don’t want to read what’s put in front of you.
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Well I just checked the 'Election Extra' section on the BBC news site - It definitely isn't all over that

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Sick Boy

Super Moderator
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,693
Philosorapter said:
I think there is common understanding that Australia is only hanging around from being a Republic for this reason.
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I actually think that when people see the institution of the Royals in action and the hereditary power being handed to Charles it could actually cause a few to start asking questions.

A lot of people seem to think it’ll get passed over to William due to him being younger and more popular - err it doesn’t exactly work that way!
 
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skybluetony176

Well-Known Member
  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,694
SkyblueBazza said:
Well I just checked the 'Election Extra' section on the BBC news site - It definitely isn't all over that

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It’s the latest poll from MORI. The BBC are clearly waiting for Cummings to give Kuenessberg permission to report on it. Interestingly the shift has come in the last week, the previous week the same pollsters had Brexit as the No 1 concern for voters.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 20, 2019
  • #2,695
Possibly the most important stat from last night’s debate Corbyn wins clear debate victory against Boris Johnson among undecided voters, poll shows
 
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