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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,381
Grendel said:
Pathetic - what would you have Fred the store man running JLR you clown
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Complete nonsense - at what point did I say those that weren't intelligent should run things?

What the comment related to was Maggie - who clearly felt anyone in a menial/physical job could just be cast aside without any form of consideration or consultation as and when desired. Her mindset was similar to those landed gentry of the 17th/18th century who'd just knock down entire villages because it spoilt the vista from their living room - they didn't matter.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,382
Sky_Blue_Dreamer said:
Complete nonsense - at what point did I say those that weren't intelligent should run things?

What the comment related to was Maggie - who clearly felt anyone in a menial/physical job could just be cast aside without any form of consideration or consultation as and when desired. Her mindset was similar to those landed gentry of the 17th/18th century who'd just knock down entire villages because it spoilt the vista from their living room - they didn't matter.
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No she was in a situation where for the only time until now there was a genuine Marxist threat - we would not have the prosperous society we have now if she had not destroyed an ideology aimed at the destruction of capitalism
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,383
Grendel said:
No she was in a situation where for the only time until now there was a genuine Marxist threat
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You'd have got on well with McCarthy
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,384
Grendel said:
the prosperous society we have now
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Austerity, freeze in wages. Prosperous?
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,385
Deleted member 5849 said:
You'd have got on well with McCarthy
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Michael Foot was paid by the KGB and that lovely man who lived a life of wealth and prosperity - Mr Scargill - was a member of the communist party. Oddly as miners got thinner Mr Scargill lived a rather opulent lifestyle

The modern day Mr Scargill - the delightful Mr Mcclusky earns how much? £400,000 a year? A true man of the people indeed.
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,386
Grendel said:
Michael Foot was paid by the KGB and that lovely man who lived a life of wealth and prosperity - Mr Scargill - was a member of the communist party. Oddly as miners got thinner Mr Scargill lived a rather opulent lifestyle

The modern day Mr Scargill - the delightful Mr Mcclusky earns how much? £400,000 a year? A true man of the people indeed.
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You'd be all for people earning cash for doing a good job, surely?

It appears that your argument is that since we joined the EU, we've never had it so good...

Oh and the Foot claim is just a claim. Indeed, when made during his lifetime, he was able to successfully sue for libel. Good job you can't libel the dead, eh...
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,387
Deleted member 5849 said:
You'd be all for people earning cash for doing a good job, surely?

It appears that your argument is that since we joined the EU, we've never had it so good...
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We certainly didn’t have it good at all in the 70’s and without Thatcher the 80’s would have been a very sorrowful decade

Scargill did a great job for himself
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,388
Grendel said:
Scargill did a great job for himself
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Two power hungry egotists combined to devastating effect.

Shame one of them was the Prime Minister.
 
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Sky_Blue_Dreamer

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,389
Grendel said:
No she was in a situation where for the only time until now there was a genuine Marxist threat - we would not have the prosperous society we have now if she had not destroyed an ideology aimed at the destruction of capitalism
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So much prosperity food bank use is at an all time high and most young people have to live at home with their parents.

Grendel said:
We certainly didn’t have it good at all in the 70’s and without Thatcher the 80’s would have been a very sorrowful decade

Scargill did a great job for himself
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Oh I forgot the 80's was such a fantastic time to be alive. What with the poll tax riots, general political unrest and protests, recession, huge unemployment and people on welfare, social problems, esp in the north and poorer areas of the south, entire livelihoods and communities ripped apart through economic ideology without any thought whatsoever as to replacement industry.

Yep, what a time to be British!

However I will agree with you on the likes of Scargill and modern equivalents like McCluskey - just as slef serving as the likes of JRM but at least they have the decency to not hide that they're in it for themselves
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,390
Grendel said:
We certainly didn’t have it good at all in the 70’s and without Thatcher the 80’s would have been a very sorrowful decade

Scargill did a great job for himself
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What a time to be alive

 
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westcountry_skyblue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,391
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What a time to be alive

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I left school in 84 been out of work for 6 months ever since,There’s work out there if you want to get off your star even in high unemployment times.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,392
westcountry_skyblue said:
I left school in 84 been out of work for 6 months ever since,There’s work out there if you want to get off your star even in high unemployment times.
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It's just I keep hearing how awful Labour are for the economy then I see that unemployment went to double figures multiple times under the Tories. It's almost like they took a knife to industry with no replacement lined up.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,393
Brighton Sky Blue said:
It's just I keep hearing how awful Labour are for the economy then I see that unemployment went to double figures multiple times under the Tories. It's almost like they took a knife to industry with no replacement lined up.
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In the 80’s you actually could sign on as a student in the term gains so I assume I was in those unemployed stats. The fact is I never was unemployed, I was in degree course that had 20 plus hours a week of lectures, I bought my first house in 1990 which ate up 50% of my income

The early years of thatcher and unemployment was a direct outcome of the utter screw up of the labour government. You also need to really make your mind up on what labour stands for. Every conservative government after the 70’s shambles has spent more on every element of the Welfare state. The Blair government is the exception so you either are are socialist or a Blairite
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,394
Brighton Sky Blue said:
What a time to be alive

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I remember the news (don’t recall which channel) used to do a jobs count once a week of jobs lost vs new jobs in industry. It was never good news.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,395
Grendel said:
In the 80’s you actually could sign on as a student in the term gains so I assume I was in those unemployed stats. The fact is I never was unemployed, I was in degree course that had 20 plus hours a week of lectures, I bought my first house in 1990 which ate up 50% of my income

The early years of thatcher and unemployment was a direct outcome of the utter screw up of the labour government. You also need to really make your mind up on what labour stands for. Every conservative government after the 70’s shambles has spent more on every element of the Welfare state. The Blair government is the exception so you either are are socialist or a Blairite
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What was the second unemployment surge under John Major caused by? My degree course consisted of 20 hours of lectures and 16 hours of lab time a week. In my final year it switched to 9-5 in the lab to complete my research. The difference is you went for nothing and I incurred student debt of nearly £40k.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,396
So Boris delivers two already identified lies in his opening statement.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,397
skybluetony176 said:
I remember the news (don’t recall which channel) used to do a jobs count once a week of jobs lost vs new jobs in industry. It was never good news.
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G says it was Labour's fault though
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,398
skybluetony176 said:
So Boris delivers two already identified lies in his opening statement.
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And doesn't shut his gob when asked
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,399
How on earth does twitter let the Conservatives get away with calling their verified press account Factcheck UK?
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,400
Was expecting much better than this from Johnson. Coming across like he hasn't been briefed on the basics. Can't imagine that is the case so has he just ignored everything he's been told preferring to try and wing it on the night?
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,401
chiefdave said:
Was expecting much better than this from Johnson. Coming across like he hasn't been briefed on the basics. Can't imagine that is the case so has he just ignored everything he's been told preferring to try and wing it on the night?
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Really surprised he hasn't resorted to the wisecracks just yet
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,402
Oh dear. We’ve moved on to personal integrity. Poor Boris.
 

Liquid Gold

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,403
Debate is a shambles when you have clapping seals lapping up anything from either side. What's the point.
 
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chiefdave

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,404
Why is Johnson being allowed to repeat known lies, like the 40 new hospitals BS, without being pulled up on it by the presenter?
 

chiefdave

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,405
Liquid Gold said:
Debate is a shambles when you have clapping seals lapping up anything from either side. What's the point.
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Don't see the point of it when you can have someone stand up there lying. There should be a team of people behind the scenes fact checking everything and feeding it back to the presenter to challenge them.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,406
chiefdave said:
Don't see the point of it when you can have someone stand up there lying. There should be a team of people behind the scenes fact checking everything and feeding it back to the presenter to challenge them.
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The presenter should have done her homework in any case.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,407
skybluetony176 said:
I remember the news (don’t recall which channel) used to do a jobs count once a week of jobs lost vs new jobs in industry. It was never good news.
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Was news at 10 on ITV. Was pretty depressing
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,408
It was a question about personal integrity Mr Johnson. But Jeremy Corbyn Grrrrr.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,409
Corbyn talking about the 4 day week gets laughed at. 'Hahaha! I want to work myself into the ground! Trot!'
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,410
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Corbyn talking about the 4 day week gets laughed at. 'Hahaha! I want to work myself into the ground! Trot!'
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Some Microsoft facilities have introduced it and seen big spikes in productivity.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,411
clint van damme said:
Was news at 10 on ITV. Was pretty depressing
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The fact that a national news program had this in the 80’s speaks volumes about what a party the 80’s wasn’t.
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,412
Boris’ answer to every question seems to be Brexit.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,413
clint van damme said:
Some Microsoft facilities have introduced it and seen big spikes in productivity.
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So, I believe, has essentially anywhere else that's trialled it.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,414
skybluetony176 said:
Boris’ answer to every question seems to be Brexit.
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Or rehashing David Cameron's talking points from 2015.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,415
A lot of steaming gammon in the audience to heckle Corbyn each time he speaks
 
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