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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,311
Brighton Sky Blue said:
I have been against that private school policy from the start.
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Completely deluded, who are you to have a right telling people not to send their children to private schools....
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,312
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Just ironic isn't it how he wants to get rid of them
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Not as ironic as Pritti Patel wanting to introduce an immigration policy that would have kept her parents and therefore by default herself out of the country.
 

clint van damme

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,313
skybluetony176 said:
Not as ironic as Pritti Patel wanting to introduce an immigration policy that would have kept her parents and therefore by default herself out of the country.
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or as ironic as having a home secretary who lost her last brief for colluding with a foreign government behinds the PMs back.
 
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SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,314
skybluetony176 said:
Not as ironic as Pritti Patel wanting to introduce an immigration policy that would have kept her parents and therefore by default herself out of the country.
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So you don't like the new policy being proposed??
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,315
Meh, not enough time for the ensuing eleventy billion pages

Bottom line is Keir Starmer was state educated
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,316
Deleted member 5849 said:
Meh, not enough time for the ensuing eleventy billion pages

Bottom line is Keir Starmer was state educated
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So was Margaret Thatcher
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,317
Grendel said:
So was Margaret Thatcher
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And policy decisions aside (and I appreciate that's a rather big but!) what I could admire about Thatcher was her determination to succeed, despite the deck being stacked against her. She did well for herself academically, and succeeded as a woman when it was difficult to do so.

Of course she did marry into wealth, but that was after her academic career.

And this, of course, is irrelevant to the bizarre attempt to claim things about Keir Starmer's education which aren't true. With friends like those doing so, who needs enemies!
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,318
Deleted member 5849 said:
And policy decisions aside (and I appreciate that's a rather big but!) what I could admire about Thatcher was her determination to succeed, despite the deck being stacked against her. She did well for herself academically, and succeeded as a woman when it was difficult to do so.

Of course she did marry into wealth, but that was after her academic career.

And this, of course, is irrelevant to the bizarre attempt to claim things about Keir Starmer's education which aren't true. With friends like those doing so, who needs enemies!
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Shows the benefit of the Grammar system doesn’t it?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,319
As a small aside, it's interesting how the Conservative Party modernised itself with Thatcher breaking the rule of the grandees, continued in that vein with Major. Now, of course, it appears to have regressed to the 50s and 60s, and an era of privilege winning the day.

If they wanted to show themselves in touch with modern Britain, Javid would have been a far more palatable choice as leader. Somehow (somehow!) Johnson's teflon, but eventually it'll come back to bite him - it always does.
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,320
SkyBlueDom26 said:
So you don't like the new policy being proposed??
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Which one? The one that would make Pritti Patel an illegal immigrant or the one that would mean Corbyn would have to have gone to a different high school?
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Grendel said:
Shows the benefit of the Grammar system doesn’t it?
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A couple of examples neither prove, nor disprove. I'd suggest both Thatcher and Starmer would have succeeded in a fully comprehensive system too - the extreme cases aren't the ones to look at when judging if something works or not.
 
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Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,322
Deleted member 5849 said:
As a small aside, it's interesting how the Conservative Party modernised itself with Thatcher breaking the rule of the grandees, continued in that vein with Major. Now, of course, it appears to have regressed to the 50s and 60s, and an era of privilege winning the day.

If they wanted to show themselves in touch with modern Britain, Javid would have been a far more palatable choice as leader. Somehow (somehow!) Johnson's teflon, but eventually it'll come back to bite him - it always does.
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Heath came from a very modest background
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,323
Deleted member 5849 said:
A couple of examples neither prove, nor disprove. I'd suggest both Thatcher and Starmer would have succeeded in a fully comprehensive system too - the extreme cases aren't the ones to look at when judging if something works or not.
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Not a chance. The reason we are seeing a move to private education for leaders is the comprehensive system which stifles such qualities and revels in mediocrity
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,324
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Completely deluded, who are you to have a right telling people not to send their children to private schools....
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You can read, right?
 

skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,325
Grendel said:
Not a chance. The reason we are seeing a move to private education for leaders is the comprehensive system which stifles such qualities and revels in mediocrity due to a sustained lack of funding caused by austerity
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,326
Astute said:
Exactly.

Then you ask me what I am trying to prove then mention Juncker for saying just what you have said.

Then you say it is me :smuggrin:
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Remember when you went on a rant about me sticking up for Juncker, out of nowhere? Who knows. Maybe Juncker is martcov...
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Grendel said:
Heath came from a very modest background
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That's true, but he was to the left of Blair!
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,328
Brighton Sky Blue said:
Remember when you went on a rant about me sticking up for Juncker, out of nowhere? Who knows. Maybe Juncker is martcov...
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Well they both seem to spend most of the time in a pub - you might be onto something
 

SkyBlueDom26

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,329
Where is martcov nowadays anyway, the remoan gang lost one of its most loyal members
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Brighton Sky Blue said:
You can read, right?
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You're obviously evil because you're left leaning, and therefore have to be argued against on every point, whatever you're saying!
 
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skybluetony176

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,331
I see the Russia report won’t go away either. A Tory donor is demanding it’s release before the election.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,332
skybluetony176 said:
I see the Russia report won’t go away either. A Tory donor is demanding it’s release before the election.
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It’s basically been leaked in the states hasn’t it? Seem to recall the issue is major Tory donors who Johnson wants redacting but redaction only happens for national security reasons.
 

shmmeee

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,333
SkyBlueDom26 said:
Completely deluded, who are you to have a right telling people not to send their children to private schools....
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Could literally use this argument against every law and regulation ever. The answer would obviously be “the democratically elected law makers of the country”.

The state vs individual argument in childcare is interesting. Are kids yours or their own people with their own rights? Do you have a right not to vaccinate them? Not to educate them at all? To raise them to praise Allah and murder the infidels? It’s a fascinating area. Apparently in Sweden I think they see kids as individuals from day one and benefits and the like are theirs and not their parents.
 
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Brighton Sky Blue

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,334
Grendel said:
Well they both seem to spend most of the time in a pub - you might be onto something
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Think if Prince Andrew was posting here Nick would know about it.
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,335
Deleted member 5849 said:
Meh, not enough time for the ensuing eleventy billion pages

Bottom line is Keir Starmer was state educated
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In a Grammar School

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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,336
Deleted member 5849 said:
...bizarre attempt to claim things about Keir Starmer's education which aren't true. With friends like those doing so, who needs enemies!
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I only know of my statement on his education & did clarify that earlier...it was one of those Grammar's Labour is also keen to get rid of. And even at that time...it was a Voluntary Aided State School...so not quite the same as the Comprehensive I attended, but not Private.

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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SkyblueBazza said:
In a Grammar School
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He was state educated.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,338
Deleted member 5849 said:
He was state educated.
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Yes when the state had a education system which gave opportunity to working classes

Shirley Williams and Barbara Castle ended that
 
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SkyblueBazza

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,339
SkyblueBazza said:
In a Grammar School

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Yes...a Voluntary Aided School...a Grammar School...I already acknowledged that.
Are you just commenting because you feel I "have to be argued against on every point, whatever" I am saying!???

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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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SkyblueBazza said:
Yes...a Voluntary Aided School...a Grammar School...I already acknowledged that.
Are you just commenting because you feel I "have to be argued against on every point, whatever" I am saying!???
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It's because you seem to want to lumnp private and grammar schools together but hey, you're also quoting yourself, so what do I know
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,341
Deleted member 5849 said:
It's because you seem to want to lumnp private and grammar schools together but hey, you're also quoting yourself, so what do I know
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There is a suggestion on wiki he went to a semi private school
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,342
Grendel said:
There is a suggestion on wiki he went to a semi private school
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Nah, it was in the state system, it just gets/got extra funding from a Trust because somebody's left it some cash at some stage. That isn't really relevant to the fact it's not about paying fees - it was a state school, and it was his academic rigour that got him in there.

It was... a state school.
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,343
Deleted member 5849 said:
Nah, it was in the state system, it just gets/got extra funding from a Trust because somebody's left it some cash at some stage. That isn't really relevant to the fact it's not about paying fees - it was a state school, and it was his academic rigour that got him in there.

It was... a state school.
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In a day when endeavour was encouraged not just from the upper classes - socialism hey? Everyone equal except the rich and the socialist politicians
 
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Deleted member 5849

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  • Nov 19, 2019
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Grendel said:
In a day when endeavour was encouraged not just from the upper classes - socialism hey? Everyone equal except the rich and the socialist politicians
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As I said, I don't have the time for this argument, especially as you're over simplifying it in the interests of rhetoric...
 

Grendel

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  • Nov 19, 2019
  • #2,345
Deleted member 5849 said:
As I said, I don't have the time for this argument, especially as you're over simplifying it in the interests of rhetoric...
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And you have no answers - the assembled comp mob on the shadow benches answers the question
 
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